Draft list of Tasmanian Aboriginal women who were taken by sealers into Bass Strait waters – and original homelands if known [Aboriginal women in Bass Strait to 1850 from elsewhere yet to be added below this list]:
- Deborahkanni Far North West
- Dromedeenner born c.1812 Swanport AKA Trometehennea/Trometehinnic/Mary
- Drummernerlooner born c.1811 Cape Portland AKA Bullrer/Bullyer/Bullrub/Leemuekallerwanner/Leemuennerkaller
- Ghoneyannenner Born c.1801 Ben Lomond Port Dalrymple? AKA Peacock
- Gudegui Born c.1810? AKA Kude Karra
- Judy / Black Judy (sister of Emma who was at Oyster Cove from 1847) married by Bishop Francis Russell Nixon to Edward Mansell in 7 Oct 1854. See: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article24275853 and http://anglicanhistory.org/aus/nixon/beacon1854/ “I united an old sealer, Edward Mansell, to Judy Thomas, an aboriginal woman.”
- Karnteeltenner Cape Portland AKA Little Buck
- Larpeennopuric Far North West
- Lateteyerwabbeltenner ?
- Looerryminner Swanport AKA Leeermograngyer/Leenererkleener, Leenarerkleener/Boatswain
- Lowhenunhe Bruny Island AKA Lorewenunne/Mary
- Makekerlededee Bruny Island AKA Maggerleeded/Rommernagge
- Maria
- Mary
- Maytepueminner St Patricks Head Drerneenener/Lurneener/Matapullerme/Muetemueminninnener
- Meemelunneener Little Swanport AKA Myhermenanyehaner/Poll/Blind Poll/Agnes
- Meeterlatteenner born c.1811 Piper River Waterhouse Point, Great Forester River ? AKA Meterletteyer/Meeterltteyay/Menerlettener/Sall/Sally/Thompson’s Sall/Rebecca
- Meethecaratheeanna
- Meetoneyernanner born c.1811 Waterhouse Point Parnerpipeperworeerkanner/Dumpe
- Mirnermannerme born c.1811 Swanport AKA Marmkoteherkiyer/Wurnermannerminer/Munermannerme/Maria
- Mitteyer Ringarooma, Cape Portland AKA Myteoyer/Fan
- Moondapder Cape Grim
- Moretermorererluneher Forester River, Waterhouse Point AKA Poll
- Murrerninghe Bruny Island AKA Kit
- Nickerumpowwerrerter Born c.1811 Ben Lomond or Leven River? AKA Nickerumpowwerrerter/Little Mary
- Niepeekar Cape Grim
- Noendapper St Valentine’s Peak or Mersey River ?
- Nollahallaker Born c.1801 Cape Grim, Mount Cameron, West Point AKA Nollerhollicker/Pillever/Trucklow/Kit
- Pairrerteemme Swanport AKA Pairreminnenner/Parthemeena/Goose/Cuish
- Pelloneneminner Born c.1809 Ben Lomond AKA Plinunimeener/Plorereemhe/Plownneeme/Paloriyeenna/Pangum/Pangern/Ponhum/Penguin/Flora
- Pierrapplener Place? AKA Perruple/Warkerlarepaterner/Diana/Dinah/Ann
- Pleenperrenner Big Musselroe, Ringarooma, Cape Portland AKA Mother Brown
- Plorenernoopperner Born c.1805 Piper River AKA Woreterpyeerternanne/Moreterpyeerternanne/Watforwittehener/Planobeena[??]/Plonnoopinner/Warterpoowidyer [?]/Jock/Fanny
- Pollerwotteltelterrunner
- Poolrerrener Cape Portland AKA Bullrub/Bullroe/Boolroe/Bulra
- Portripellaner Born c.1811 Piper River AKA Woretermurnerme/Maria
- Pungerneetterlattenner St Patricks Head AKA Maria
- Purnernattelattenner
- Rarnapperlitterner Georges River AKA Pernappertittenner/Duncan
- Reetarnithbar Cape Grim
- Tanleboneyer Little Swanport [Loontiteermairreloinner] AKA Sall
- Tarenootairrer born c.1806 Musselroe, Cape Portland AKA Tingernotareher/Tangernuterrer/Jackanoothara/Ploorernelle/Tibb/Sarah
- Tarerernorerer Mersey River, St Valentine’s Peak, Round Hill AKA Walyer/Mary Ann
- Teekoolterme George’s River
- Tekartee Born c.1809 Little Swanport AKA Weybermueninner/Meybermuewinner/Kluenerme
- Tencotemanener Born c.1801 Little Swanport, Oyster Bay [Laremairremener] AKA Smoker
- Tinnermuck Port Dalrymple, west side AKA Towser
- Toogernuppertootenner Born c.1798 Ben Lomond, East Coast AKA Toneuptotanener/Pueprittehe?/Maria
- Trildoborrer Mersey River, St Valentine’s Peak, Round Hill
- Troepowerhear Cape Grim
- Wapperty Born c.1797 St Patrick’s Head
- Warkernenner Tomahawk River AKA Worekenna/Meetoneneenner?/Wonginner/Kit/Old Kitty
- Warrermarrerluner Tarkine, Sandy Cape
- Werlangennertuerrarerer Cape Portland, Musselroe AKA Marmeis
- Woorrartteyer Musselroe, Cape Portland
- Woreterleeployenninner
- Woreterleepoodyenniner Ringarooma, St Patrick’s Head AKA Long’un
- Woreterlokekoteyer Born c.1806 Cape Portland, Little Musselroe AKA Issac
- Woretermoeteyenner Born c.1791 Big Musselroe, Cape Portland AKA Wattermoteer/Woretermoteteyer/Waremodeenner/Pung/Bung
- Woreterneemmerunnertatteyanne born c.1810 Big Musselroe AKA Emerrenna/Bet SMITH
- Worethmaleyerpodeyer Born .c.1811 Piper River
- Wottecowwidyer Born c. 1808 Musselroe AKA Wot/Wat/Harriet
Draft list of Tasmanian Aboriginal women who were taken by sealers into Bass Strait waters followed by the names of men they associated with, where known:
- Deborahkanni [AKA Victoria, married by Fereday to James WILLIAMS, sealer, George Town 27/3/1842, died [catarrh] July 1847, p.112].
- Dromedeenner [AKA Mary, b.c. 1811. Abducted by James MUNRO but escaped, p.112]
- Drummernerlooner [AKA Bullrer/Rumernalu/Jumbo/Louisa, b.c.1812, Taken by James MUNRO when a child, spoke english well, p.112]
- Ghoneyannenner [AKA Peacock, b.c.1801. Had Aboriginal husband, Abducted by BLACK JOHN BAKER, Escaped from Parish at Piper River, p.113]
- Gudegui [AKA Kude Karra AKA the Ranger – lived on King Island from c.1830s to 1850s without men].
- Judy / Black Judy – married by Bishop Francis Russell Nixon to Edward Mansell in 7 Oct 1854. See: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article24275853 and http://anglicanhistory.org/aus/nixon/beacon1854/ “I united an old sealer, Edward Mansell, to Judy Thomas, an aboriginal woman.”(sister of Emma who was at Oyster Cove from 1847.
- Karnteeltenner [AKA Little Buck, “Abducted by sealers and taken to Kangaroo Island”, p.113]
- Larpeennopuric [one of nine women, only 5 named, captured by sealers in north west Tasmania, see Friendly Mission 21/8/1830 – nothing more known…p.114]
- Lateteyerwabbeltenner [Lived with Robert REW/DREW, p.114]
- Looerryminner [AKA Boatswain/Leenarerkleener “Abducted by bosun John SMITH, who gave her to William PROCTOR, p.114]
- Lowhenunhe [AKA Mary. One of three women abducted by JOHN BAKER. Lived with HEPTHERNET on Kangaroo Island. Died 1829]
- Makekerledede [AKA Sall. One of three women abducted by JOHN BAKER. Lived with HEPTHERNET on Kangaroo Island; then with William COOPER]
- Maria [AKA Drerneenennener/Lurneener/Matapullerme/New Maria, Abducted by John STOCKER, lived with Little CHARLEY]
- Mary
- Maytepueminner [AKA New Maria/Matilda/Drerneennerner, Abducted by John STARKER, after STARKER drowned lived with Little CHARLEY, had a husband ‘among the blacks’, p.115]
- Meemelunneener [AKA Poll/Blind Poll/Agnes, visited Mauritius with sealers, p.115]
- Meeterlatteenner [AKA Sall/Sally/Thompson’s Sall/Rebecca/Menerletterner, b.c. 1811, Abducted by Michael MCKENZIE when a girl, lent to James EVERITT [sp], seized by James THOMPSON after he drowned [1831] lived with William PROCTOR then Samuel BLYTHE who sent her to the Aboriginal Establishment 21 May 1837, p.115]
- Meethecaratheeanna
- Meetoneyernanner [AKA Dumpe/Parnerpipeperworeerkanner, b.c.1811, Abducted by George BRIGGS, but ‘escaped and lived on the main’, taken by Thomas TUCKER they lived on Gun Carriage where she died pre 19/12/1837, p.115-116]
- Mirnermannerme [AKA Maria Monamie, b.c.1811, Abducted by James MUNROE, lived with David/James KELLY of Hunter Island to whom had several children, lived with John MYETIE [sp] at Hunter Island, went to Mauritius, p.116]
- Mitteyer [AKA Fan, lived Kangaroo Island and Kent Group with Jack WILLIAMS AKA Norfolk Island Jack, p.116]
- Moondapder [one of nine women, only 5 named, captured by sealers in north west Tasmania, see Friendly Mission 21/8/1830 – nothing more known…p.114]
- Moretermorererluneher [AKA Poll, b.c. 1812, sisters Juliet and Thompson’s Sall, ‘Abducted by Charles PETERSON when 8 years old and cohabited with him since’, After death of PETERSON, William JOHNSON obtained Poll and they lived at Port Phillip (January 1837). After JOHNSON drowned Poll went to live with John BATMAN, p.116]
- Murrerninghe [AKA Kit Abducted by John BAKER [with Lowhenunhe and Makekerledede] lived with John WILLIAMS AKA Norfolk Island JACK, lived with HEPTHERNET at Kangaroo Island, she was shot at Kent Group by Robert GAMBLE, FM 11/10/1830, p.116]
- Nickerumpowwerrerter [AKA Little Mary, b.c.1811, Abducted by STARKER when he drowned, then lived with sealer Edward TOMLINS, p.117].
- Niepeekar [one of nine women, only 5 named, captured by sealers in north west Tasmania, see Friendly Mission 21/8/1830 – nothing more known…p.114]
- Noendapper [sisters Walyer and Trildoborrer, three sisters surrendered to the sealers, Noendapper was kept on the Bird Island by John DODSON [AKA William Dobson], she died at Gun Carriage island FM 23/5/1831, p.117]
- Nollahallaker [AKA Pillever/Trucklow/Kit/Little Kit, b.c.1811, lived with Robert REW, taken from sealers by James PARISH, p.117]
- Pairrerteemme [AKA Parthemeena/Goose/Cuish/Cush Lived with William SLACK on Gun Carriage Island, alive 1851 Oyster Cove, p.117]
- Pelloneneminner [AKA Flora/Plownneme/Plonermener/Palorimeenner (emu)/Panghum/Penguin b.c.1809 Ben Lomond. Abducted from Ringarooma when a young girl by Thomas MASON who sold her to John BROWN, after Brown drowned…. p.117 – she was one of 11 women taken from the sealers by James Parish in December 1830. In 1831, Flora joined George Augustus Robinson to help him search for Aboriginal people in the north-east of Tasmania. Flora was taken to Wybalenna on Flinders Island and later transferred to Oyster Cove where she died, on 27 May 1860, aged 51 http://www.daao.org.au/main/read/7711]
- Pierrapplener [AKA Perrruple/Warkerlarepeterner/Diana/Dinah/Ann, sister was Jock, lived with Robert REW [1832]. Previous, in 1824 was likely with James KIRBY, and travelling between islands between Bass Strait and Kangaroo Island when the Nereus encountered them, with James EVERETT and Henry WHALLEY. In 1827 Major Lockyer met Dinah with James KIRBY at King George’s Sound [Albany WA] Dinah and another VDL woman and a Kangaroo Island woman were then expatriated to Sydney? on the Ann arr. 11/6/1827 having called at Port Dalrymple, where Dinah and the other woman likely disembarked, ‘This woman, Dinah, was probably Pierrapplener who in 1832 was living with Robert REW. This woman was taken from Robert REW by WJ Darling in October 1832, and in a petition a few weeks later REW sought her return to him, stating he had obtained her on the death of John MYETYE about three years earlier, who had in turn obtained her from James THOMPSON.’ She had been seventeen or eighteen years with white men. p.85]
- Pleenperrenner [AKA Mother Brown, b.c.1795, Abducted by John BROWN [1] who was later drowned, afterwards lived with James PARISH for a time who gave her to John SMITH, she had several children by BROWN, two drowned. ‘Delivered up to the Aboriginal settlement by John BROWN, with daughter by BROWN aged 13 years. “One of her daughters living in Launceston possessed considerable influence over the black women”: FM 31/3/1831, p.118]
- Plorenernoopperner [AKA Fanny/Jock/Warterpoowidyer, b.c.1805 Abducted by Michael MCKENZIE, after MCKENZIE drowned lived with James THOM[P]SON, who ill treated her, on Guncarriage Island, had a husband ‘among the blacks’, p.118]
- Pollerwotteltelterrunner [AKA Wyyerlooberer/Margaret/Pecocally, bc.c1811, brother was Woretenattelargenne, Abducted when a children by Michael MCKENZIE who sold her to James THOMPSON [d.1835] who lent her to Richard MAYNARD on Gun Carriage Island, removed by James PARISH to the Aboriginal Settlement FM 11/12/1830, had an infant by Richard MAYNARD, p.119]
- Poolrerrener [AKA Bullrub/Bullrow/Bullroe/Bulra “mother”, Cape Portland, sister or daughter was Jumbo. “This woman lived with Young SCOTT a sealer at Kangaroo Island she had been living there many years among the sealers. In Dec 1832 she was referred to as advanced in years, at least 40 [her daughter’s age was given as about 19 in June 1831; and she had a grown up “half caste” son Edward TOMLINS]. Bulra arrived at Launceston from Kangaroo Island on Griffith’s Schooner in February 1832 and was taken to the Hunters. Shortly after then her son Edward TOMLINS left on the whaling voyage to the western coast of New Holland. She remianed among the sealers in the western straits living first with John DODSON [AKA William Dobson] and then with Robert REW. On 17 Aug 1832 she was delivered up to George Augustus ROBINSON by REW and sent to the Aboriginal Establishment where she died probably before Sept 1835, p.111 “Sealers woman at Kangaroo Island with George Piebald AKA Fireball BATES, WIS p.822. ]
- Portripellaner [AKA Maria, b.c.1811. Abducted by sealer James THOMPSON, lived with John MYETYE/James KELLY. p.119]
- Pungerneetterlattenner [AKA Maria/Sall, Abducted by John BROWN after BROWN‘S drowning lived with John THOMAS, p.119, WIS p.863]
- Purnernattelattenner [AKA Sall, Abducted by John BROWN, lived with James EVERITT [sp] for a time after BROWN was drowned, living with John THOMAS on Swan Island in 1837, p.19-120]
- Rarnapperlitterner [AKA Duncan, lived with Duncan MCMILLAN, lived at Kangaroo Island, p.120]
- Reetarnithbar [“a sealer’s woman abducted near Cape Grim”, WIS p.824]
- Tanleboneyer [AKA Sall, b.c.1807, sisters Tekartee and Mirnemammerme, Abducted by John BROWN who was subsequently drowned at Clarke Island, BROWN had sent her to “sleep” with other sealers for one seal or kangaroo skin per night. Joined GAR in Launceston Oct 1830 brought from islands by James PARISH, her Aboriginal husband was thereafter Mannalargenna, she died 1/5/1835, p.120]
- Tarenootairrer [AKA Sarah/Tibb/Tingernotareher/Jackanoothara, b.c.1806, “Abducted by James PARISH when a girl who sold her to John SMITH for four seal skins, bought from John SMITH by George ROBINSON, she had a child by John SMITH, and perhaps one by James PARISH (Mary Ann), ill treated by George ROBINSON, removed from sealers by James PARISH to the Aboriginal Settlement FM 11/12/1830″ later lived at Oyster Cove, mother of Fanny Cochrane Smith, p.120]
- Tarerernorerer [AKA Walyer/Mary Ann, her brothers were Linenelikekayver and Linnetowwer joined the sealers at the time she did. Abducted by the sealers but later escaped, and led a party to attack in the ‘settled districts’, later abducted by John/William DODSON at Port Sorell, then given to Black Jack WILLIAMS, died 5/6/1831, p.121]
- Teekoolterme [taken to Kangaroo Island by Black JACK WILLIAMS, after WILLIAMS drowned she was taken by John THOMAS, at Aboriginal Settlement 1831, p.121]
- Tekartee [AKA Weybermueninner, sister Tanleboneyer, b.c.1809, ‘European features’, Abducted by John HERRIN when a little girl, sold to John MIRA/MIREY ‘Owyhee Black Man’ for some seal skins with whom she then lived. “Had a husband among the blacks”. She was “a fine, tall, straight woman”. Taken by James PARISH to Aboriginal settlement FM 11/12/1830, died at Maria Island 11/3/1831, p.121]
- Tencotemanener [AKA Smoker, 5’9″, bc.1801, Port Dalrymple West Side, sister was Purnernattentettener/Sall. Abducted by Richard MAYNARD, who gave her to John RIDDLE/Long Jack with whom she lived on Gun Carriage Island, ‘had a husband among the blacks with whom she had children’, removed from sealers by GAR FM 12/11/1830, p.121]
- Tinnermuck [AKA Towser, lived with LITTLE WEST at Kangaroo Island, p.122]
- Toogernuppertootenner [AKA Maria, Ben Lomond, b.c.1798, brother Mannerlegargenner, ‘had a husband among the blacks with whom she had several children’. Abducted by John MIRA who sold her to George ROBINSON on Woody Island, taken from sealers by GAR FM 10/11/1830, p.122]
- Trildoborrer [sister Walyer, Joined sealers with Walyer WIS p.830]
- Troepowerhear [Abducted by sealers near Cape Grim WIS p.830]
- Wapperty [AKA Wobbelty, 5’10”, stout made, b.c.1797, father Mannalargenna, Abducted by John THOMAS, lived with John STARKER/STOCKER who also lived with Nicerumpowwerrerter [Mary] and Maytepueminner [Maria], perhaps not at same time. John STARKER was drowned at the Leven River on his way back to Launceston from the westward islands c.Sept 1830 FM 14/9/1830, 1/10/1830, 2/10/1830. After John STARKER’S death John MYETYE seized Nicerumpowwerrerter [Mary] and Wobbelty, giving the former to Edward TOMLIN and keeping Wobbelty [p.100], After John MYETYE died [p.123] Wapperty lived with Robert REW, who brought her to the Aboriginal Settlement in 844. Bessy MITI/RUE her daughter to John MYETYE married John MIRA on 27/3/1847, Wapperty died Oyster Cove 12/8/1867. p.123]
- Warkernenner [AKA Kit/Old Kitty, Tomahwk River, Abducted by James THOMPSON when a girl, later living with John DODSON [AKA William Dobson] on Hunter Island, taken by Alexander MCKAY, then GAR [George Augustus ROBINSON], who John DODSON asked to return Warkernenner to him, p.122]
- Warrermarrerluner
- Werlangennertuerrarerer [AKA Marmeis? Mussel Roe, sealer’s woman at Kangaroo Island, SA, FM 4/4/1831, p.122]
- Woorrartteyer [name means ‘walk’, from Musselroe, sealer’s woman at Kangaroo Island, living with ‘Piebald’ Fireball George BATES on Kangaroo Island, SA, FM 4/4/1831, p.123]
- Woreterleeployenninner
- Woreterleepoodyenniner [AKA Long’un/Langern/Dranetunneminnener?, Ringarooma, sealer’s woman living on Kangaroo Island with James ALLEN, WIS p.834]
- Woreterlokekoteyer [AKA Isaac, Musselroe, b.c.1806, Abducted by Little CHARLEY who sold her to William PROCTOR for some seal skins, lived with William PROCTOR and Edward MANSELL. Had a ‘husband among the blacks with whom she had three children’, p.123]
- Woretermoeteyenner [AKA Wattermoteer/Woretermoteteyer/Waremodeenner/Pung/Bung, Big Musselroe, b.c.1790, sister Wottecowidyer, Abducted by George Briggs by whom three children [JG: at least 5 children: Dalrymple Briggs, x unnamed died from burns, Mary Briggs, Eliza Briggs, John Briggs]. Sold to John THOMAS for a guinea. Lived for a time with John BROWN. Taken by James PARISH to the Aboriginal settlement FM 19/12/1830. “Had a husband among the blacks”: Phillip. Had boy by James MUNRO when she lived with him FM 19/12/1830 [JG: no, Munro looked after young John BRIGGS aged c.5+, until? Munro took John to Hobart when he went to petition the Governor for the return of women], p.123]
- Woreterneemmerunnertatteyanne [AKA Emerrenna/Bet SMITH, Big Musselroe, born c.1810, Abducted when a child by John HARRINGTON, after HARRINGTON drowned she was seized by Thomas TUCKER, from whom Thomas BEEDON obtained her. FM 31/3/1831. “Bet SMITH lived with Thomas BEEDON on Gun Carriage approx. 5 years, having two children by him, one living, one dead, now with child” FM 31/3/1831, “Said to have killed two half-caste boys on Preservation Island, Thomas TUCKER the father”. Mother of Lucy BEEDON, p.124]
- Worethmaleyerpodeyer [Piper River, b.c.1811, Abducted by James EVERITT by whom she was later murdered on Woody Island because she did not clean mutton birds to his satisfaction. FM 10/11/1830, p.124]
- Wottecowwidyer [AKA Wot/Wat/Harriet, b.c. 1808, Musselroe, sister Woretemoteteyer, Abducted by James THOMPSON with whom she lived. Several half-caste children by various fathers. After James EVERITT murdered Worethmaleyerpodeyer James THOMPSON sent Wottecowwidyer to James EVERITT. Taken by James PARISH to the Aboriginal Settlement 11/12/1830. Said by x?x TURNBULL [p.104] to have killed a child about 6 weeks old about same time as DUMPE. John SMITH with whom she was then living, buried it in his garden. FM 30/12/1830. Lost two children [boy and girl] when boat with Michael MCKENZIE and Little BOB capsized in the Straits FM 25/12/1830. Sarah SMITH (Nancy SMITH?] [error Pleennperrenner FM 19/3/1831] probably her daughter by John SMITH. Mother of Mary Ann THOMPSON. p.124]
Information from:
Title: ‘The sealers of Bass Strait and the Cape Barren Island community’
Year: 1990
Author: Plomley, B. & Henley, K.A.
Published: Proceedings of the Tasmanian Historical Research Association, Volume 27, Number 23 (June-September)
Women not from Van Diemen’s Land living with sealers in Bass Strait to 1850 – very draft list:
EMUE [AKA EMMA] and KALLOONGOO [AKA SARAH, CHARLOTTE]
John ANDERSON and EMUE/EMMA – ANDERSON, John AKA: Abyssinia, Abyssinia Jack. Description: 5′ 7″ – 5′ 9″, grey hair, age 40-50 (1831); Englishman; sealer 16 years. Origin: Seaman; arrived in Sydney a free man on the Archduke Charles, convict transport ex Cork, on 16 February, 1813. Said to have been in the navy as a boy and to have served at Trafalgar (Pasco, 1897). Shipping: Important to note that the name John Anderson is found for a number of vessels visiting Bass Strait and that it is doubtful whether any of them refer to Abyssinia. Thus: John Anderson arrived in Sydney on the John Barry from London on 26 September, 1819; John Anderson arrived in Sydney on the Northhampton from London on 17 June, 1815, and ran from her; John Anderson one of crew of Endeavour for Bass Strait and King Island on 9 June, l8l8; John Anderson , ex Lady Nelson, one of crew of Alligator which sailed for the seal fishery on l0 June, 1823; James Anderson on Nereus ex Sydney for Bass Strait on 9 November, 1824, and on Alligator for Kangaroo Island on 9 April, 1825; James Anderson, a convict, arrived from Cork on the Mary, convict transport, on 25 August, 1819. Resorts:Kangaroo Island; Kent Group; Woody Island. Women: l. Emma, native of Port Lincoln; her fullblood New Holland son PRARE.RE came to live in Anderson’s household about 1827; Anderson told GAR that he had had ten children by Emma, of whom five were living (SLR; FM, 19/3/1831) by January 1836 he had sold her to James Munro (WIS, 12/1/1836). 2. Poll (also known as Sall and perhaps Anne/Anny), a New Holland Anderson lived with her after the death of Emma late in 1837 (WIS 19/12/1837) [p.70, Plomley and Henley]
Notes: 1 The Sydney Gazette of I July 1826, reported that Abyssinia was then living on Kangaroo Island. 2. John Anderson not the black man of that name who lived on one of the Western Australian islands and visited King Island (Cumpston, 1970). 3 When Anderson was interviewed on 3l May 1837, he said he was the only man living on Woody Island and that there were two women and three children there.One of these women and one child had belonged to a sealer who had ‘gone to port’, abandoning them (perhaps William Dutton). The woman with Anderson was Emma (WIS, 1/6/1837). 4. By 1845 Anderson was living with his family in the Western Straits.5. On 16 November 1845, John Anderson baptised two of his children: Frances, 24, wife of ‘Reewe’ (not identified); and John, 12 years. Jane Elizabeth And John aged 12, was another of John Anderson’s children baptised at Stanley, on 27 September 1846. All these were probably Emma’s children. 6. Catherine Anderson, aged 7, living with Jonathon Griffiths in Launceston in 1831,was probably a daughter by Emma. 7. Ana Anderson, ‘daughter of a sealer’, aged 16, married Benjamin Risby at George Town in December 1842; she is likely to have been another of Emma’s children. Pasco (1897) calls her Mary. [p.71, Plomley and Henley]
Kalloongoo (and Emue?) were from Rapid Bay and Yankalilla, south of Adelaide, north of Cape Jervis.
Excerpts from: Amery, Rob, 1996, ‘Kaurna in Tasmania; A case of mistaken identity’, Aboriginal History, vol 20, pp24-50. [below p.37-42 ]
[p 37]…. Some of the Kauma women kidnapped from the southern Kauma region ended up living with sealers in Bass Strait. In 1831, Robinson noted that there were Aboriginal
[p 38] women from Kangaroo Island present on islands in the Kent Group in the Eastern Bass Straits north of Flinders Island. Fn 23 One of these women Emue or Emma, was a Kaurna woman who was living with a woman named John Anderson, alias Abyssinia Jack Anderson, told Robinson that “… [he] has a black women living with him, which he got from off the main of the coast of New Holland opposite Kangaroo Island and has lived with her ever since. Says he has ten children by her, five of whom are alive. Got a black boy from the main, son to this woman, four years since.” Fn 24
On 23rd July 1836, Robinson reports that: Corporal Ramsay returned to the settlement from the Sisters Islands [immediately to the north of Flinders Island] having removed the sealers, who offered no resistance. They had been on the islands about a fortnight …They had two boats. Abyssinia Jack had charge of one with some New Holland women and also VDL [Tasmanian] women named [ ]. The New Holland women were the same that had been stolen from their country adjacent to Kangaroo Island by George Meredith jnr of Oyster Bay…The sealers had several halfcaste children on board of their boats. There were three men in the boat, Abyssinia Jack, Everett and another…Abyssinia Jack and another sealer stop on Woody Island. They reported that there was three men on Gun Carriage [island adjacent to Woody Island in between Hinders and Cape Barren Islands]. They had with them several New Holland women. Fn25
In 1837 Emue was still living with Anderson, then on Woody Island, in between Flinders and Cape Barren Island. Robinson’s journal entry of 10 January 1837 contains the following: Woody Isle: Abyssinia Jack and three women native of New Holland; one with Everett one infant; with Abyssinia a woman Emue and three children; a woman native of Spencers Gulf has been left by Dutton, this woman has a boy by a black man, she wishes to leave the sealers. fn 26
This latter woman, Kalloongoo, also named Sarah by the sealers and renamed Charlotte by Robinson, is crucial to the story of Robinson’s Kaurna wordlist. Plomley’s annotations to Robinson’s journal for 1 June 1837 note that: Corporal Miller left the settlement on the morning of 31 May for Woody Island and reached there that evening. He was accompanied by two aboriginal women, Rebecca and Matilda. On arrival at Woody Island, Miller interviewed the one sealer there, John Anderson, who told him that sometimes another sealer lived there too, but that he had ‘gone to port’. There were two native women and three children on the island, of whom one woman and two children belonged to Anderson. The other woman, after talking to the women from the settlement, was willing to quit the island on the understanding that she would be conveyed to her own country, i.e. New Holland She was known as Sarah or Charlotte, and was about twenty years old. Fn 27
[p 40] On June 1st 1837, Kalloongoo was brought to Robinson’s settlement at Flinder’s Island and remained there until the 25 February 1839 when she was taken by Robinson to Port Phillip (Melbourne). Whilst at Flinders Island, Kalloongoo lived in Robinson’s house and worked for him as a domestic servant, and thus is the most likely source of the Kaurna wordlist. It is most likely that Charles Robinson recorded the wordlist somewhere between June 1837 and February 1839, as he was in constant contact with her during this period.
On arrival at Flinders lsland, Kalloongoo gave a lengthy account to Robinson of how she was kidnapped and her subsequent life with sealers on Kangaroo Island and in Bass Strait. In addition she provided specific details of her origins. Her interview with Robinson, as recorded in Robinson’s journal for June 2nd 1837, is provided here in full: Interrogated the woman who arrived last night from Woody Island; result as follows-(I) KAL.LOON.GOO, (2) COWWER.PITE.YER, (3) WIN.DEER.RER alias Sarah an aboriginal female of New Holland, the point opposite to Kangaroo Island, the west point of Port Lincoln. Was forcibly taken from her country by a sealer named James Allan who in company with another sealer Bill Johnson (this man was drowned subsequent to my visit to Port Philip) conveyed her across to Kangaroo Island where she remained for a considerable time until she was seized upon by Johnson and forced on board the schooner Henry J Griffith owner and master and brought to the straits, when Johnson sold her to Bill Dutton, who had subsequently abandoned her. She had a child by Dutton a girl which he took away with him. The woman states that at the time she was seized and torn from her country, Allan the sealer was led or guided to her encampment and where her mother and sister then was by two blackfellows her countrymen but not her tribe and who had been living with the sealers on the island [Kangaroo Island]. Said the blackfellows came sneaking and laid hold of my hand; the other girl ran away. The white man put a rope around my neck like a dog, tie up my hands. We slept in the bush one night and they then tied my legs. In the morning we went to the boat. They took me then to Kangaroo Island. She remained there a long time until she was brought away in the schooner [Henry owned by J. Griffith] to the straits. She said there were several New Holland [mainlander] black men on Kangaroo Island. Said two of them died from eating seal; her brother died also from eating seal. Said the sealers beat the black women plenty; they cut a piece of flesh off a woman’s buttock; cut off a boy’s ear, Emue’s boy. This woman [Emue] is now on Woody Island with Abyssinia Jack. The boy died in consequence of his wounds. They cut them with broad sealer’s knives. Said they tied them up and beat them and beat them with ropes. Fn 28 Bill Dutton beat her plenty. Said the sealers got drunk plenty and women get drunk too. Said the country where she came from was called BAT.BUN.GER [Patpangga = Rapid Bay] YANG.GAL.LALE.LAR [Yankalilla]. It is situate at the west point of St. Vincents Gulf. Said that Emue’s brother was her husband. It is on the sea coast; there is a long sandy beach with three rivers. MAN.NUNE.GAR is the name of the country where she was born. Kangaroo island is called DIRKI.YER.TUN.GER.YER.TER; WAT.ER.KER.TER, an island. (YAR.PER, a hole; called the hole in the cartilage of her nose YAR.PER.) (1) WHIRLE (2) WHIR.LE, house. Fire, KIR.LER. Wood, (1) NAR.RER (2) NAR.RAR.
[p 41] This aboriginal female of NH KAL.LOON.GOO has a hole through the cartilage of her nose. She relates the following circumstances in reference to her removal from Kangaroo Island. She said one day the schooner Henry John Griffith master and owner came to Kangaroo Island. Allan was away at this time at another part of the island. Said that Johnson tied her hands and feet and put her on board of the schooner, when he and Harry Wally came away in the schooner to the islands in the straits. A sealer Harry Wally assisted in tying her. Subsequently Johnson sold her to Bill Dutton by whom she had a female child a girl. She had had a male child by a Sydney black a sealer. This child is the one now with her and is about five years of age. Bill Dutton stopped on Woody Island with Abyssinia Jack. He has left about ten moons, has gone away and married a white woman. He took his child the girl with him. She had heard this. He has gone whaling. The boy was born at a rock near to the Julians. She had the girl first by Bill Dutton. Said she was a big girl when Allan took her away from her own country. In answer to a question, ‘do you like this place’, she said ‘yes!’ ‘Do you want to go to Woody Island?’, ‘no, it is no good place, there is nothing there at all’. She got little to eat. Bill Dutton beat her with a rope. She was glad she had got away. In answer to several questions about God she answered she never learnt him, she did not know. The woman’s boy is about five years of age and is very interesting child. The features are European cast, thin lips and small features, and appears intelligent. So also does the mother. The woman’s features are similar to the boy’s. So soon as it was known at the native settlement that a New Holland woman had arrived all the native inhabitants were in motion and an evident excitement was created. Several of the native men came to my quarters but the greater part kept away from bashfulness. Before breakfast I walked with her to the native cottages and introduced her to the aborigines, and she met with a hearty welcome from those generous and simple hearted people. She appeared much delighted with her reception and there appeared a reciprocal feeling between this stranger and the resident aborigines. She brought a bitch and two pups with her. This morning she drew here rations from the store and was put on the strength of the establishment from yesterday the first of June ins!. Much curiosity prevailed on the part of the aborigines, and constant visits was made throughout the day at my house to see the stranger. About noon her son arrived in the boat. I shewed the various kinds of work performed by the male aborigines, the cultivated .land, the fencing, the road making, and the large heap of grass collected by the females, their knitting and domestic work, with the whole of which she appeared highly delighted and said she should like to learn to work like them. At 6 pm she accompanied me to the evening school and here she appeared to be quite overcome with astonishment at what she witnessed. This was a new scene, an epocha she had not possible conceived. Here she beheld people of her own colour engaged at learning what she could not comprehend native children teaching native men and women. Heard the whole in one united chorus singing the praises of God, of that being of whom she had not heard and of whom she acknowledged she had not the slightest conception. All was wonder to her poor untutored mind. I shall not easily forget with what astonishment she looked when the congregation began to sing, and it appeared equally a matter of surprise to her when the native men stood up to pray. She said she wished to learn and I instructed her in the alphabet, I suppose the first time in her life.
[p42] 3 June Sat This morning the aboriginal female of New Holland was brought to the office and interrogated by the Commandant in the presence of the storekeeper Mr L Dickenson and Mr Clark the catechist and which was signed by those gentlemen and is herewith annexed by which it will be seen that this poor creature has been cruelly treated and left in total ignorance of the Being of a God. She made the statement and answered the questions without the least embarrassment….This evening Charlotte was again surprised at what she witnessed at our family worship. On the arrival of this woman a new name was given her Le. Charlotte in lieu of Sarah by which latter she was called by the sealers, and it has been my practice to give new names to all who join the settlement from this class of individuals. She is very docile and quiet and appears industrious. She this day cleaned out my office. Fn 29
Kalloongoo, a Kaurna woman from the region south of Adelaide, and not from Port Lincoln Before proceeding further, it is necessary to clear up a point of confusion inherent in Robinson’s journal entry, and perpetuated in a number of secondary sources published since. Robinson’s interview with Kalloongoo quoted above begins with the statement that ‘KAL.LOON.GOO, (2) COWWER.PITE.YER, (3) WlN.DEER.RERalias Sarah [is] an aboriginal female of New Holland, the point opposite to Kangaroo Island, the west point of Port Lincoln’, Cumpston referring to this journal entry of Robinson’s reiterates that ‘Dutton had obtained a New Holland woman (from Port Lincoln) named Kal.loon.goo (Sarah/Charlotte)’. Fn 30
Barwick also referring to Robinson’s journal, this time for 9th January 1837, makes the statement that two of the women on Gun Carriage Island in the Furneaux Group between Flinders and Cape Barren Islands ‘were certainly from Port Lincoln. Fn 31 and cites personal communication with Plomley that ‘Kalloongoo or Sarah (then renamed Charlotte) was originally kidnapped from Port Lincoln (where she had been married to a brother of the woman Emue or Emme who became the wife of the Abyssinia Jack’ alias John Anderson)’. Fn 32 Mollison, also drawing on Robinson’s journals, refers to Kalloongoo as coming from Port Lincoln. Fn 33
However, later in the interview with Robinson, Kalloongoo ‘said the country where she came from was called BAT.BUN.GER [Patpangga = Rapid Bay] YANG.GAL. LALE.LAR [Yankalilla]. It is situate at the west point of St. Vincents Gulf’. Rapid Bay and Yankalilla are located to the south of Adelaide, north of Cape Jervis. The reference to Kalloongoo coming from Port Lincoln then is probably due to Robinson’s lack of knowledge of the geography of the South Australian coast. Robinson recorded this interview in 1837, one year after the establishment of the South Australian colony, when Port Lincoln was nothing more than a name and a dot on a map. The town of Port Lincoln was not surveyed until 1840.
Footnotes
20 Moore cited in Clarke, 1994: 7.
21 In 1822 a sealer was encountered on the South Island of New Zealand. ‘The man Stuart had come from Kangaroo Island with a wife of the country and two children to settle in New Zealand; but having with his family been taken prisoner by the natives IMaoris], he had adopted their customs [and] was employed by the chiefs… as a pilot…for finding all the different hiding places of the Americans’ (Cumpston, 1970, p. 63). It is unclear exactly when this woman, likely to have been a Kaurna woman, went to New Zealand. It is also known that in 1823 another woman from Kangaroo Island (possibly a Kaurna woman) was stranded on the South Island of New Zealand for a period of eight months with her small child. The other members of her sealing party belonging to an American ship, the General Gates, had been killed by Maoris. This South Australian woman returned to Sydney in April 1824. (Cumpston, 1970, p. 66). It is possible that these two accounts refer to the same woman, though the dates suggest otherwise.
22 Clarke 1994: 3.
23 Robinson in Plomley, 1966: 327, 335.
24 Plomley, 1966: 327.25 in Plomley, 1987: 366-67.
26 in Plomley, 1987: 416.
27 in Plomley, 1987: 695.
28 This account of cruelty given by Kalloongoo is closely corroborated by Anderson’s and Constable Munro’s versions of the same events documented by Robinson some years earlier in 1831 (Plomley ed. 1966, p. 357, 360, 462, 1010).
29 in Plomley, 1987, pp. 445-447.
30 Cumpston 1970, p. 170.
31 Barwick 1985, p. 212.
32 Barwick 1985, p. 231.
33 Mollison 1976.
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Children [unnamed]: John Boultbee: (P/H:59, en: 20) ”I have seen several of the offspring of these parties, they are a clever active sort of people and have a handsome countenance, notwithstanding the ugly physiognomies of their mothers. Their colour is copper, with a sort of rosy healthy hue, long but not lank hair, and their dispositions are very prepossessing. Some of them have been sent to Sydney for the purpose of being educated at the Government school”. Begg, A. Charles & Begg, Neil C. 1979 The world of John Boultbee : including an account of sealing in Australia and New Zealand / A. Charles Begg and Neil C. Begg Whitcoulls, Christchurch, p.62
Draft list – named sealers In Tasmanian Waters
- William Aldridge
- James Allen
- John Anderson – AKA Abyssinia Jack
- Thomas Baily Thomas Bailey/
- John Baker
- George Bates Aka Fireball Bates
- Thomas Beedon/Beeton
- Bellarday
- George Belsey
- Billhook
- Thomas Bleak – 1829 – c16 – Kents Group
- Samuel Bligh/Bly/Blithe
- George Briggs
- John Brown 1 Drowned 1818 ?
- John Brown 2 Drowned 1830 ?
- John Brown 3 ? on King Island in 1852
- Archibald Campbell
- Charley
- Samuel Rodman Chase
- William Cooper
- Daniel Cowper
- James Curley
- Cottrel Cochrane
- Davis
- John Day – Aka William Day – 1829 – c40 – Hogan Group
- John Dobson (Aka William Dobson) – Hunter Islands
- Robert Rew/Drew
- James Duncan
- William Pelham Dutton
- James Everett/Everitt
- Thomas Fisher
- Thomas Foster
- Fox
- Robert Gamble/Gemble
- John Griffiths [Son]
- Jonathan Griffiths [Father]
- Thomas Hamilton
- Edward Hanson – Aka – Edward Tomlin/S [Son]
- John Harrington
- John Herrin Aka Harvey
- Hepthernet
- Antoine Hervel – Drowned
- David Howie
- Isaac
- William Johnson
- David Kelly Aka Kohn Kelly – 35
- James Kirby
- Robert Knight
- George? Knowles
- Little
- Dennis McCarthy [see K.R. Von Stieglitz, History of New Norfolk, p.24: “Another venture of McCarthy [ex Norfolk Island] was to Kangaroo Island to get seal skins in the Henrietta Packet and then in April 1817 he advertised for men to go whaling in the brig SPRING, but no report has come down to us of what happened”.
- Michael Mckenzie/Mackenzie
- Duncan Mcmillan
- Edward Mansell Aka Sydney
- Edward Mansfield
- Thomas Mason
- Richard Maynard Aka John Todd
- George Meredith
- John Mira/Miree/Myrie/Mirey
- John Mytie – c35 – Maori – Hercules Is [is he the Jacky Mytie below ?… :
MYTIE Jacky. Sailor
1822 Apr 12
Thomas Street, master of the “Sinbad”, permitted to employ for the procurement of cedar at Port Stephens (Reel 6009; 4/3505 p.148)
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/m/F40c_mu-my-12.htm#TopOfPage - John Morgan/Hughes – convict – on king island in May 1831
- Patrick Morrison Aka John Morrison?
- Moss
- James Munro Or Munroe
- James Parish Or Parrish
- Charles Peterson
- William Proctor
- Robert Rew Or Rue – Hunter Is
- Michael Richards
- John Richardson
- John Riddle
- Robert Robertson
- George W Robinson
- Rogers
- John Scot Aka Old Scott
- John Scott Aka Young Scott Aka George Scott
- John Simmonds Kable NSW
- William Slack Aka Richard Slack
- John Smith – took Aboriginal women from the main. c45 in 1829
- John Smidmore
- Samuel Snailhouse
- John Starker Aka John Stocker
- Robert Stonehouse
- John Strugnell
- “Sydney Black”
- John Taylor – ‘mulatto’ USA – c38 – Kents Group – NZ woman
- John Thomas/James Thomas – Long Tom – ex Ltn pilot – Briggs afterwards sold her to John Thomas alias Long Tom for a Guinea “…this man is still living in Launceston and is employed as Seaman on Board of Griffiths” c1829-31
- Nathaniel Thomas
- James Thompson
- Tiger
- Samuel Tomlins [Father] Of Edward Tomlins
- Thomas Tucker
- Turnbull
- John Tyack
- Welsh Jack
- James West
- Henry Whalley
- John Williams 1
- John Williams 2 – Norfolk Island Jack, James Williams – Kent Group
- Yankee Bob
More info about the sealers from the above list:
Firstly – download this 14 page document – an exact transcript of George Augustus Robinson’s notes on the sealers of Bass Strait – an invaluable resource provided by the State Library of NSW:
acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/_transcript/2007/D00007/mss7059_robinson.pdf
Draft list – named sealers In Tasmanian Waters
- William Aldridge
- James Allen
- John Anderson – AKA Abyssinia Jack
- Thomas Baily Thomas Bailey/
- John Baker
- George Bates Aka Fireball Bates
- Thomas Beedon/Beeton
- Bellarday
- George Belsey
- Billhook
- Thomas Bleak – 1829 – c16 – Kents Group
- Samuel Bligh/Bly/Blithe
- George Briggs
- John Brown 1 Drowned 1818 ?
- John Brown 2 Drowned 1830 ?
- John Brown 3 ? on King Island in 1852
- Archibald Campbell
- Charley
- Samuel Rodman Chase / Chace : Death notice: Source: Sydney Gazette. July 26 1826. (originally from the COLONIAL TIMES. VDL. June 23)By the loss of the little Government vessel which lately sailed for Maria Island, we regret tos tate, that a widow and a large family are deprived of a father and husband. Mr.S.Chaise was the master of that vessel. He was an experienced navigator, and had been many years in the maritime service in these Colonies. We therefore trust that the Government may afford some relief to his disconsolate wife and orphan children, as they are left wholly unprovided for.' From Jenny Fawcett to Aus-Tas.+“ There was a Government schooner of 20 tons by the name "Despatch" that was built in Macquarie Harbour in 1825/26. Captain Samuel Rodman Chase. This little boat arrived Hobart on 17th February 1826, it then sailed from Hobart to Maria Island with provisions in March 1826 and was never to be seen again, presumed shipwrecked off Cape Pillar during a gale. The conflicting evidence regarding the demise of Capt Chase comes from Knopwood's Diary. On page 468 he writes that Chase is the commander of the "Governor Brisbane", colonial schooner. Knopwood says that this boat arrived Hobart on the 13th April 1826 from a sealing voyage, he has this boat departing again on the 23rd September 1826 on another sealing voyage.There is no further mention of the "Governor Brisbane" or of Samuel Rodman Chase in Knopwood's Diary after this entry. Samuel's widow, Marianne Letitia Chase (nee Collins) married John Davidson on the 7th May 1829 in Hobart. Marianne Letitia died in 1860 aged 72, however the register has her as Mary Ann Letitia Chase and not Davidson - how come? . There might be some Chace/Chase descendants on this list that maybe able to shed some light on these little dilemmas.” From Liz Penprase to Aus-Tas. Both above on Aus-Tas roots online http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2004-05/1083472034
- William Cooper
- Daniel Cowper
- James Curley
- Cottrel Cochrane
- Davis
- John Day – Aka William Day – 1829 – c40 – Hogan Group
- John Dobson (Aka William Dobson) – Hunter Islands
- Robert Rew/Drew
- James Duncan
- William Pelham Dutton
- James Everett/Everitt
- Thomas Fisher
- Thomas Foster
- Fox
- Robert Gamble/Gemble
- John Griffiths [Son]
- Jonathan Griffiths [Father]
- Thomas Hamilton
- Edward Hanson – Aka – Edward Tomlin/S [Son]
- John Harrington
- Samuel Harrington, Aboriginal son of John Harrington
Samuel Harrington
The Australian history of Samuel Harrington is more problematic. A published list of early 19th century sealer/Aboriginal liaisons in Tasmania has only one Harrington (Plomley and Henley 1990:64), who must logically be the same John Harrington said elsewhere in the same source to have lived in the Bass Strait islands with ‘WORE.TER.NEEM.ME.RUM.NER.TAT.TE.YEN.NE’, otherwise ‘Bet Smith’, who was abducted by him from Cape Portland as a child (Plomley 1966:1020). Harrington was, of course, a convict, who, two days after being discharged at Sydney on May 25 1820, sailed on the Little Mary for Port Dalrymple and Bass Strait (Plomley and Henley 1990:82–83) and the freedom of the sealing grounds. He drowned at Gun Carriage Island (now Vansittart Island, at the eastern end of the strait, which lies between Flinders and Cape Barren Islands) about December 1824, after which Bet Smith was ‘seized’ by Thomas Tucker, who sold her to Thomas Beadon (Plomley 1966:1020), or she was ‘claimed’ by John Williams (Plomley and Henley 1990:83). According to Robinson, Tucker was among those active in shooting Aboriginal men at their fires and then abducting their women (Plomley 1966:1017). Although the partner of John Harrington in the Plomley and Henley (1990:64) list is said to be from Van Diemen’s Land, rather than Australia (Cape Portland), this does not necessarily rule out Bet Smith or this particular Harrington. There is, however, a ‘half-caste’ Maria Harrington recorded twice by Plomley and Henley (1990:63): in 1827 aged 10 and living in the household of James Holman, and in an 1831 list of ‘half-caste’ children in Launceston, ‘aged about 17, a vagrant’. Maria cannot have been the child of a man who reached Tasmania in 1820, so there was one other Harrington/Aborigine liaison at least. Another John Harrington in Tasmania early enough to be the father of Maria, and perhaps Samuel, is listed among convicts brought from Norfolk Island in 1808 (Nobbs 1988:195), probably reaching Hobart on the City Of Edinburgh on October 5 that year (Nash pers comm. 2008). ‘T. McD.’ in The Lyttleton Times (July 6 1885) refers to Harrington at the time of a visit to Wairoa by Bishop Selwyn, Church of England archbishop of New Zealand, as follows: One very powerful fellow, a half-caste Australian black, was known by the name of Shiloh. He was “cock of the walk” at the Wairoa, being a first-class boat-steerer, harpooner, fighter, fifty-two inches round the chest, and a hard drinker. These virtues retained him possession of the position he had gained. The journal of Wairoa missionary the Reverend James Hamlin dates Selwyn’s visit to December 1845 (Hamlin Journal, December 9 and 11 1845, Hocken Library). Harrington was thus under Morrison at Wairoa, raising the possibility that he and perhaps Tomlins as well, and other Australian whalers, all came with Morrison at the end of 1843, possibly from Portland. Lambert (1925:370) writes that Harrington was a ‘Tasmanian half-caste’ who whaled at Mahia, Kinikini and Waikokopu and for Joseph Carroll at Te Hoe. Something of Harrington’s style is told by a court case regarding an incident at Mahia in 1851, reported by boatsteerer Joseph Mason (Hawke’s Bay Province, Donald McLean Papers, Folder 130A, Alexander Turnbull Library, Wellington). Harrington is said to have threatened and attacked his men, intending, it seems, to make them leave and break their contracts so he would not have to pay them out at the end of the season. This suggests he was owner of the station; otherwise, he presumably would not have had to bear the cost. Mason wrote to Donald McLean, as the only Justice of the Peace in the region, complaining that he had been ‘most Barbarously ill treated and my life threatend by one Samuel Harrington in a most shocking manner and sent away without my wages’. According to Mason, one day in October 1851, Harrington ordered the boat launched from his station with the purpose of going across the bay to Waikokopu for rum: Some time after we arrived there he was intoxicated aboute 12 o’clock at night he came down to the Boat Swearing in a most awfull maner and Enquiring where Hooper another whaler was the answer was lying on the grass where drunken people in general lay, he ordered us to launch the Boat which we did, when a short distance on the water he got up as one deprived of all reason and Seized a Boat Spade used to cut up the Whale’s Blubber, and a most deadly instrument. The boat with Harrington and two European and five Maori whalers aboard got home ‘after a while and with much trouble’. Next morning, Harrington: … raving like a mad man took up an axx and threatening to kill all around. Struck one of the Natives on the Back but did not do him much hurt the Native runing at the time and he after him. He then took up a tomahawk, swearing to kill anyone who opposed him. The whalers kept away from him, ‘knowing that all our wages depended upon his honesty and being now to the amount of from £21 to £30 and upwards so that it appears that he did not wish to pay us …’. Harrington then set fire to a house used by his Maori whalers. The court case did not consider the violence, which was probably thought the business only of those involved. Instead, it set out to determine current whaling practice in order to establish the justice of Mason’s claim. Four affidavits dated December 6 1851 are important in describing whaling practice in the bay at the time. The court’s decision was for Mason to be paid out at a 1¼ share, although this may not have ended the matter, as among the case papers is a note: ‘Mason agrees to take the share of 1 & ¼ which canot agree to pay’, and initials which might be ‘SWH’. Other cases heard the same day were Mason versus Carroll, seeking payment for the repair of a boat, and Stewart versus Mason for defamation and assault (McLean Journal, Vol. 4, p. 68, Alexander Turnbull Library), so Mason, too, may have been a difficult character. Samuel John Harrington is listed in the 1858 Ahuriri and Hawke’s Bay electoral roll as ‘whaler’ of Mohaka, in Hawke’s Bay south of Wairoa, qualifying as a householder (Hawke’s Bay Herald August 28 1858). He is listed under Mahia as a whaler in the first issue of Wise’s Directory, published in 1875 (Feilding ed 1875). He died at Wairoa on December 15 1875 (Hawke’s Bay Herald December 17 1875). From: pp. 360-362 Trans-Tasman stories: Australian Aborigines in New Zealand sealing and shore whaling. Nigel Prickett, Auckland War Memorial Museum, Auckland, New Zealand nprickett@aucklandmuseum.com
- John Herrin Aka Harvey
- Hepthernet
- Antoine Hervel – Drowned
- David Howie
- Isaac
- William Johnson
- David Kelly Aka Kohn Kelly – 35
- James Kirby
- Robert Knight
- George? Knowles
- Little
- Dennis McCarthy [see K.R. Von Stieglitz, History of New Norfolk, p.24: “Another venture of McCarthy [ex Norfolk Island] was to Kangaroo Island to get seal skins in the Henrietta Packet and then in April 1817 he advertised for men to go whaling in the brig SPRING, but no report has come down to us of what happened”.
- Michael Mckenzie/Mackenzie
- Duncan Mcmillan
- Edward Mansell Aka Sydney
- Edward Mansfield
- Thomas Mason
- Richard Maynard Aka John Todd
- George Meredith
- John Mira/Miree/Myrie/Mirey
- John Mytie – c35 – Maori – Hercules Is
- John Morgan/Hughes – convict – on king island in May 1831
- Patrick Morrison Aka John Morrison?
- George Morrison was the son of Patrick Morrison, of County Tyrone, Ireland, who was convicted in March 1792, aged 19, and arrived in New South Wales on the Boddington on August 7 1793 on a seven-year sentence (Principal Superintendent of Convicts, Bound Indents, 1786–1799, State Records NSW). Patrick was one of many convicts who made for the sealing grounds when they finished their sentence. Having suffered for long under the often brutal and generally brutalising convict regime, they may have wished for nothing more than to go somewhere they would be left alone and where there was the prospect, at least, of earning a living, and possibly a great deal more. A generation later, whaling stations on both sides of the Tasman would offer the same attractions. The younger Morrison was born on August 12 1817 on King Island, Bass Strait (Figure 3), and baptised with his brother Charles, older by one year, on October 9 1821 at St Johns, Launceston, when the family was living at Georgetown on the Tamar estuary (Baptisms in the Parish of St Johns, Launceston, Microfilm RGD 32/1, 1170/1821, Tasmanian State Archives). In the baptism register, their mother is named ‘Elizabeth’ and described simply as ‘A Native’. Patrick Morrison is likely to be the same as buried at Launceston on March 19 1824 after drowning, although his age given as 54 does not quite match 19 years in 1792 (Register of Burials, RGD 34/1, 1803–1838, 883/1824, Tasmanian State Archives). At the time, he is said to have been living at Launceston. George Morrison may be the same as a Morrison in charge of a whaling party at Portland in 1837 (Townrow 1997:12), although he was 19 or 20 at the time, which is young for such a position. He first appears in New Zealand as whaling master at Macfarlane’s fishery at Wairoa, Hawke’s Bay (Figure 4), in its first seasons in 1844 and 1845 (NZ Spectator and Cook’s Straits Guardian Febuary 22 1845, December 6 1845), possibly arriving to set up the station when men and stores were landed from Macfarlane’s Kate in December 1843. This date is given as part of evidence in a court case arising from Morrison selling whalebone to a man named Crummer
when the station’s production rightfully belonged to Macfarlane as owner (NZ Spectator and Cook’s Straits Guardian September 27 1845). Crummer and Morrison claimed that Morrison and others were at Wairoa setting up a ‘share party’ before Macfarlane first arrived at the end of 1843. If so, this did not change Macfarlane’s ownership of the fishery, although it does leave open the date of Morrison’s arrival. The court found for Macfarlane. Morrison was at Wairoa
just two seasons (NZ Spectator and Cook’s Straits Guardian February 22 1845, December 6 1845) before managing Perry’s Waikokopu station in 1846 (Wakefield 1848:193). In August 1849, his schooner Neptune was wrecked at Long Point on Mahia Peninsula (Ingram 1984:37). Later records of his New Zealand career have not been found.
From: Trans-Tasman stories: Australian Aborigines in New Zealand sealing and shore whaling
Nigel Prickett, Auckland War Memorial Museum, Auckland, New Zealand
nprickett@aucklandmuseum.com “.p.357-358.
- Moss
- James Munro Or Munroe
- James Parish Or Parrish
- Charles Peterson
- William Proctor
- Robert Rew Or Rue – Hunter Is
- Michael Richards
- John Richardson
- John Riddle
- Robert Robertson
- George W Robinson
From: Friendly Mission 10 November 1830
George Robinson lives on Woody Island. He is upwards of sixty years of age and is blind of one eye. A native of Scotland (the Clyde), Geordy Robinson came out free to Sydney in Governor Bowen’s time. (Underline indicates change made in accordance with ‘Supplement to Friendly Mission.’ N.J.B. Plomley THRA Papers ) Left with twenty-two others on account of some dispute with the Captain and came to VDL; was ten years on Kings Island. Spoke of two men who were murdered on Kings Island for their women. He has been industrious and has cultivated about two acres of land with wheat, potatoes, onions, cabbage &c. The wheat appeared very fine and was as high as my head, and the potatoes were excellent. The way the land is cultivated renders the place quite romantic, from the rocky place he has been obliged to cultivate in patches: (Underline indicates change made in accordance with ‘Supplement to Friendly Mission.’ N.J.B. Plomley THRA Papers ) you pass by winding walks through some underwood and then come to a beautiful cultivated spot and from thence to another. This island is altogether a beautiful place. He keeps fowls, pigs &c, and has several dogs and cats. Showed me the bacon he had made: was very good and the first made in the Straits. Gave me some hen’s eggs, two large pieces of crystal and some beads. He was very civil.
- Rogers
- John Scot Aka Old Scott
- John Scott Aka Young Scott Aka George Scott
- John SimmondsSimmons/Simons Kable NSW
- William Slack Aka Richard Slack
- John Smith – took Aboriginal women from the main. c45 in 1829
- John Smidmore
- Samuel Snailhouse
- John Starker Aka John Stocker
- Robert Stonehouse
- John Strugnell
- “Sydney Black”
- John Taylor – ‘mulatto’ USA – c38 – Kents Group – NZ woman
- John Thomas/James Thomas – Long Tom – ex Ltn pilot – Briggs afterwards sold her to John Thomas alias Long Tom for a Guinea “…this man is still living in Launceston and is employed as Seaman on Board of Griffiths” c1829-31
- Nathaniel Thomas
- James Thompson
- Tiger
- Edward Tomlins – Tasmanian Aboriginal mother and european father Samuel Tomlins:
“….With Australia the source of most New Zealand shore whalers, it is not surprising that one and two generations after the First Fleet sailed into Port Jackson some were of Aboriginal descent. Their fathers were convicts or ex-convicts. Mothers came from the many tribes that lived at or near the Australian coast and were largely dispossessed and dispersed early in the process of colonisation. The best known among them was Thomas Chaseland, whose convict father arrived in New South Wales in 1792 and later settled in the Hawkesbury district near Sydney. Chaseland was sealing at Foveaux Strait from c. 1824 and later whaled at several southern stations. Notable Hawke’s Bay whalers from the mixed-race sealing communities of Bass Strait and Kangaroo Island were George Morrison, Edward Tomlins and Samuel Harrington...”
– And more from above source :
[pp.358-160] Edward (Ned) Tomlins was born at Cape Barren in 1813 to Samuel Tomlins of Kangaroo Island
(Plomley and Henley 1990:103) and a woman whose name George Robinson of the Tasmanian Aboriginal mission gives as POOL.RER.RE.NER, or BULL.RUB, BULLROE, BULRA and BOOLROI (Plomley 1966:1002). Edward was baptised at St John’s, Launceston, on January 22 1819 (Tipping 1988:197; Plomley and Henley 1990:103). His father was aged 20 when sentenced to seven years’ transportation, reaching Sydney in 1803 on the Calcutta and Hobart on January 1 1804 (Index to Tasmanian Convicts, Tasmanian State Archives; Tipping 1988:317; Plomley and Henley 1990:103). He was discharged in 1809 (Tipping 1988:197) and was soon on the sealing grounds between Australia and Van Diemen’s Land (Figures 1 and 3). Samuel Tomlins drowned in 1819 when the Jupiter was anchored at the Bay of Shoals, Kangaroo Island
(Cumpston 1970:45; Plomley and Henley 1990:103). His son is also given as Tomlinson and ‘Edward Hanson’, although according to Plomley (1966:1016), the latter may be an error, since it appears only in part of Robinson’s journal which
relies on a copy and where there are several apparently incorrect names. Robinson describes Tomlins in 1830 at Hunter Island as ‘a fine stout well-made young man about eighteen years of age’ (Plomley 1966:179). Plomley and Henley (1990:103) say he was 5 ft 8 inches (1.73 m) in height and stoutly built. George Dunderdale ([1898]:13) in ‘The Book of the Bush’ states that ‘Black Ned was a half-breed native of Kangaroo Island’. In 1830, he was living on Hunter
Island with ‘NICK.ER.UM.POW.WER.RER.TER’, or ‘Mary’, of Leven River or Ben Lomond, Tasmania (Plomley 1966:1018). When Robinson visited in June 1830, the ‘head man’ of four Hunter Island sealers was Bay of Islands Maori ‘John Witieye’ (Plomley 1966:179), also probably an error, as elsewhere Robinson has MYTYE, MYTEE and MYET.EYE (Plomley 1966:1014). The name may have been ‘Maitai’. The other men were Robert Drew (Rew or Rue, see Plomley 1966:1015), David Kelly and ‘the half-caste youth, named Edward Hanson’ (Plomley 1966:180; but see above). In December 1830, Tomlins was one of five Hunter Island men marooned on the Clarke Island reef when their boat was lost (Figure 3). Two disappeared trying to reach safety in a makeshift craft, the others living for eight days on seal meat and blood before being rescued (Plomley 1966:295–296). In February 1832, Bulra arrived in Launceston from Kangaroo Island, where for years she had been living with a sealer named ‘Young Scott’ (Plomley 1966:801,1002). She went on to
Hunter Island, probably because her son was there, but Edward left soon after on a whaling voyage to the ‘western coast of New Holland’, and may have sold or bartered his mother, who was soon living with John Dodson and then Robert ‘Rew’, both of them sealers and ex-convicts (Plomley 1966:1002). When Robinson returned to Hunter Island later in 1832, Bulra asked to be removed to the Aboriginal settlement on Flinders Island and was given up to him on August 17 (Plomley 1966:1002). At Flinders Island, she was probably at Lagoons until February 1833 and then at Wybalenna, when that settlement was established (see Birmingham 1992:129; Figure 3). In November 1832, Tomlins petitioned to have her returned to Hunter Island, but this was refused, Robinson advising: ‘… Tomlins is not a fit person to have charge of this woman he being wholly under the influence of the other sealers and himself addicted to drunkenness and immorality’ (Plomley 1966:802). Bulra died on Flinders Island probably before September 1835 (Plomley 1966:1002).
Tipping (1988:317) states that Tomlins ‘was an associate of William Dutton in the early days of whaling at Portland Bay and became a famous harpooner’ (Figure 3). Nash (2003:91–92) has Dutton whaling for Launceston entrepreneurs Griffiths and Connolly in 1832 at Portland, which may have been the destination of Tomlins’ whaling voyage early that year (see above). He is also likely to have been one of 24 men taken to Portland by the Henry in April 1833
(Cumpston 1970:120) for the second season. Dunderdale ([1898]:13) says that by 1835, Tomlins was ‘looked upon as the best whaler in the colonies, and the smartest man ever seen in a boat’. On March 19 1836, he left Launceston as a passenger on the Thistle (Index to Departures 1817–1867, from an original record POL (Port of Launceston) 458/2, p. 21, Tasmanian State Archives), probably for the Portland fishery at that time of year. The Thistle was at Portland
as early as 1834, initially to set up the Henty station in opposition to Dutton (Cumpston 1970:123–124).
On December 20 1836, ‘Edward Tomlinson’ was one of two headsmen on the barque Socrates (Captain Dutton), which left Launceston on a whaling voyage (POL 458/2, p. 56, Tasmanian State Archives). In early May 1836, the Socrates returned to Launceston from Portland with 23 tuns of sperm oil, with news that ‘bay whaling’ had commenced there (Chamberlain 1989:21). Thus, Tomlins at this time may have been whaling the year round, for sperm whales from the
Socrates in summer and for right whales at Dutton’s Portland station from autumn to October. Cumpston (1970:115–125) has an account of Griffiths and the productive Portland fisheries (see Nash 2003:91–94). It is not known when Ned Tomlins arrived in Hawke’s Bay. Information on his New Zealand career comes largely from ‘An Old Colonist’, thought to be F.W.C. Sturm, writing in the Hawke’s Bay Herald in June 1868: ‘Where all were drunkards, Ned Tomlins was notorious; he was a valuable man, and an able headsman.’ In his ‘Old Wairoa’, Thomas Lambert (1925:368)
describes Tomlins as ‘said to be one of the best whalers that ever stepped into a boat’ (apparently after Dunderdale), and recklessly generous, once giving away one of three sperm whales he had taken in exchange for a bucket of water. Lambert (1925:368) says he worked for Captain Mansfield and whaled out of Waikokopu and Kinikini. At Waikokopu, he probably whaled with Morrison, whom he may have known from Portland. Tomlins died there after a successful day’s whaling. More drunk than others who were playing cards, he was turned out of a house, but insisted on trying to get back in. Finally, he was hit by the station owner, a man named Perry, and thrown from the door, later to be found dead outside. Perry himself read the burial service. This happened before Perry died of ‘apoplexy’ on the beach at Mahia in 1853.
Tomlins and Hipora Iwikatea of Mohaka had one son, also Edward Tomlins, who had three children, a girl Akenehi, a boy Tamati, and a second girl Hera. Hipora Iwikatea died on November 12 1900, her son Edward predeceasing her on December 15 1892 (Parsons pers comm. 2008). From: Trans-Tasman stories: Australian Aborigines in New Zealand sealing and shore whaling Nigel Prickett, Auckland War Memorial Museum, Auckland, New Zealand: nprickett@aucklandmuseum.com - Samuel Tomlins [Father] Of Edward Tomlins – drowned between 11/1818 and March 1819.
“…Captain Thomas Hammond of the colonial brig Endeayour was at the island early in l8l7 and found thirteen Europeans living there of whom only one is named, George Fifer. The Jupiter (Captain Ainsworth) reported the death by drowning of Samuel Tomlins, ‘one of the island men’, between November l8l8 and March 1819. From the report on Captain Sutherland’s visit in l8l9 we learn that ‘several Europeans assembled there; some who have run from ships that traded for salt; others from Sydney and Van Diemen’s Land, who were prisoners of the Crown’. They are complete savages, living in bark huts like the natives, not cultivating anything, but living entirely on kangaroos, emus, and small porcupines, and getting spirits and tobacco in barter for the skins which they lay up during the sealing season. They dress in kangaroo skins without linen, and wear sandals made of sealskins. They smell like foxes. They have carried their daring acts to extreme, venturing on the mainland in their boats, and seizing on the natives, particularly the women, and keeping them in a state of slavery, cruelly beating them on every trifling occasion; and when at last some of the marauders were taken off the island by an expedition from New South Wales, these women were landed on the main with their children and dogs to procure a subsistence, not knowing how their own people might treat them after a long absence. Sutherland reported that there were about twelve sealers on the island <Kangaroo Island>, at an inlet of Salt Water Creek (South West River, between Cape de Couedic and Cape Bouguer). He did not name them. Although they grew no vegetables, they said there was a plant growing wild on the island that was as good as cabbage. When the brig Sophia (Captain James Kelly) reached Hobart from Macquarie….” [p.49 of Plomley and Henley] - Thomas Tucker
- Turnbull
- John Tyack
- Welsh Jack
- James West
- Henry Whalley
- John Williams 1
- John Williams 2 – Norfolk Island Jack, James Williams – Kent Group
- Yankee Bob
More about sealing and New Zealand from From: Trans-Tasman stories: Australian Aborigines in New Zealand sealing and shore whaling, p.362 by Nigel Prickett, Auckland War Memorial Museum, Auckland, New Zealand
nprickett@aucklandmuseum.com
“…In Making Peoples, historian James Belich (1996:131–132) notes the importance of the sealing industry to early Maori/Pakeha contact in southern New Zealand. He goes on, ‘Sealing also pioneered a Tasman world’, and he describes sealers, whalers and seamen who did not distinguish between two sides of the Tasman in their activities, with Bass and Foveaux Straits and the subantarctic islands all being referred to as the ‘Sealing Islands’, in ‘a joint past historians in both countries seem reluctant to recognise’. Sydney was for long one of New Zealand’s most important cities and New Zealand one of Sydney’s most important hinterlands (Belich 1996:134). Sealing and whaling industries developed capital needed for Australia’s early economic growth and were among New Zealand’s first significant commercial activities (see Steven 1965; Hainsworth
1972). Tomlins, Morrison and Harrington came from the mixed-race sealing communities of Bass Strait and Kangaroo Island. Robinson describes how sealers shot Aboriginal men as they sat around their fires, and then abducted the women (e.g. Plomley 1966:966). Or women were traded by Aborigines themselves, from their own tribes or others from which they had been abducted (Ryan 1977:30–31). At first, women were made available for the sealing season only, but as sealers began to stay on throughout the year, so too did their ‘wives’. By 1816, sealers each might have two to five women for sexual and domestic purposes. Robinson refers to them as ‘slaves’ (Plomley 1966:1008). In 1830, Tomlins’ headsman at Hunter Island, the Maori ‘John Witieye’, had two women (Plomley 1966:180). Coastal tribes were devastated, Robinson reporting just three women with 72 men in Tasmania’s northeast, also in 1830 (Plomley 1966:966).
Sealers in Bass Strait and elsewhere in Australian waters 1806 [From: Musters of NSW and Norfolk Island 1805-1806, Edited by Carol J. Baxter. ABGR, Sydney, 1989.]
ref | name | ship | condition | How employed/with whom lives (Females) | Page # | |
A0063 | John Atch | ? | ? | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 6 | |
A0064 | James Anderson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 6 | |||
A0065 | Andrew Anderson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 6 | |||
A0452 | George Briggs | ? | EC | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0453 | Patrick Brennan | ? | EC | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0454 | James Buckles | ? | EC | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0455 | John Boxo | ? | EC | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
AO456 | William Bentley | ? | EC | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0475 | William Batty | ? | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0476 | Mr Owen Bunker | ? | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0477 | William Brown | Royal Admiral 2 | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | |
A0478 | Henry Bloom | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0479 | John Burke | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0480 | Richard Barnet | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0481 | Edward Beckford | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0482 | James Barnet | CE | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0483 | Henry Baker | CF | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0856 | William Clarke | Minorca | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 25 | ||
A0857 | Edward Crowder | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 25 | |||
A0858 | John Carroll | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0859 | George Curry | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0860 | George Colston | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0861 | Samuel Caswell | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0862 | Isac Cundle | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0863 | Robert Cox | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0864 | John Clements | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0865 | William Croker | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0866 | John Childs | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0867 | James Cooper | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0868 | Robert Charles | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0869 | Miles Campbell | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A0870 | Robert Curren | Sealing. In employ of Kable | 25 | |||
A1222 | Hugh Daley | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1123 | Benedict De Crouze | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1224 | Jeremy Dunn | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1225 | John Dezouch | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1226 | Patrick Donnelly | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1227 | John Davis | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 33 | |||
A1394 | James Everard | p | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 37 | ||
A1395 | Joseph Eyles | p | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 37 | ||
A1523 | William Fletcher | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 40 | |||
A1524 | Samuel Fry | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 40 | |||
A1525 | William Fletcher | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 40 | |||
A1526 | Daniel Flannedy | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 40 | |||
A1717 | Gilbert Grant | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 44 | |||
A1718 | Richard Guttridge | Royal Admiral | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 44 | ||
A1719 | James Guilder | Royal Admiral 2 | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 44 | ||
A1720 | John Gepp | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 44 | |||
A2006 | William Haines | Royal Admiral | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | ||
A2007 | Thomas Holt | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2008 | John Harrington | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2009 | Benjamin Haines | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2010 | John Hyams | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2011 | William Hockam | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2012 | William Howell | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2013 | John Howe | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2014 | William Harriman | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2015 | Richard Hodden | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2016 | Francis Hearne | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2017 | Thomas Holford | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2018 | Miles Holding | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2019 | John Haywood | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2020 | Edward Hamilton | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2021 | Edward Hogan | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2022 | Harry | Otaheitean. Sealing.Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2023 | William Harding | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2024 | John Hunt | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 51 | |||
A2329 | George Johnson | Matilda | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | ||
A2330 | Robert Jackson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | |||
A2331 | Benjamin Johnson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | |||
A2332 | William Jones | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | |||
A2333 | Samuel Jeffries | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | |||
A2334 | Robert Jones | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 58 | |||
A2490 | Abraham Kemp | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 61 | |||
A2491 | Thomas Kenny | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 61 | |||
A2492 | Robert Knight | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 61 | |||
A2493 | William Kimber | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 62 | |||
A2494 | James Kelly | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 62 | |||
A2495 | Edward Kelly | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 63 | |||
A2652 | Nathaniel Lloyd | Earl Cornwallis | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | ||
A2653 | Thomas Larkin | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | |||
A2654 | Benjamin Leveret | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | |||
A2655 | John Lewis | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | |||
A2656 | Simon Lord | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | |||
A2657 | Jeremiah Laws | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 65 | |||
A2982 | Thomas Miller | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2983 | Patrick McDonough | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2984 | Philip McDermot | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2985 | BartholemewMcDermot | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2986 | Thomas Murphy | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2987 | William McGenis | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2988 | Joseph Malony | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2989 | James Moffatt | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2990 | James McCormick | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2991 | Matthew William Moody | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2992 | George Mowbray | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2993 | Henry Moody | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2994 | William Morris | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2995 | Barnard McCabe | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A2996 | Timothy McNamara | Rolla | p | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |
A2997 | Michael Minton | p | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | ||
A3296 | Thomas Noble | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A3297 | John Nimmo | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 73 | |||
A3358 | Joseph Oliphant | CF | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 81 | ||
A3504 | William Portuguese | P | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 84 | ||
A3505 | Joseph Phillips | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 84 | |||
A3506 | Edward Powell | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 84 | |||
A3739 | William Rook | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 90 | |||
A3740 | Michael Rogers | Apprentice. Sealing. Kable’s employ | 90 | |||
A3741 | John Rogers | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 90 | |||
A3742 | Michael Roderick | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 90 | |||
A4059 | Francis Stafford | Atlas 1 | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | ||
A4060 | Thomas Story | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4061 | Samuel Stanyard | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4062 | Thomas Stepney | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4063 | John Stewart | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4064 | John Smith | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4065 | Robert Sirius | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4066 | John Silvester | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4067 | John Simmonds | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4068 | James Salway | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4069 | Henry Shippey | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4070 | William Sawers | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4071 | Thomas Sumberland [Cumberland?] | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4072 | John Spain | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4074 | Richard Siddins | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 97 | |||
A4358 | John Thompson | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 103 | |||
A4359 | William Tucker | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 103 | |||
A4360 | Nicholas Thompson | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 103 | |||
A4361 | William Thomas | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 104 | |||
A4362 | William Taylor | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 104 | |||
A4363 | William Toon | Sealing. Employed by Mr Kable. | 104 | |||
A4672 | John Wybrow | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4673 | Thomas Willington | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4674 | William Justerman Wood | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4675 | Charles Wilson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4676 | William West | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4677 | John Williams | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4678 | Henry Watson | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4679 | William Wright | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4680 | Thomas Williams | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 | |||
A4681 | William Warner | Sealing. Kable’s employ | 111 |
1 | A0007 | John Ancey | Tellicherry | cf | Selfseaman | 6 |
A0015 | William Austin | Rolla | CF | Sailor, john austin | 6 | |
A0132 | Thomas Barnett | Royal Admiral 2 | fbs | Self.boatman | 8 | |
A0136 | John Burne | Queen | fbs | Self. boatman | 8 | |
A0183 | William [Billy] Blue | Minorca | fbs | Self. boatman | 8 | |
A0484 | Thomas Browning | CF | Cooper. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0485 | Samuel Baxter | CF | Carpenter. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0486 | John Baylis | CF | Carpenter. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0487 | James Brown | CF | Carpenter. Kable’s employ | 16 | ||
A0667 | John Collins | fbs | Boatman. W Miller | 21 | ||
A0829 | John Cable | Gorgon | fbs | John Griffiths | 24 | |
A0854 | John Culverton | H Kable | 25 | |||
A0855 | John Chapman | Barwell | H Kable | 25 | ||
AO1099 | Hugh Dogherty | Queen | fbs | Self boatman | 25 | |
A01141 | William Denman | Matilda | fbs | Self. boatman | 25 | |
A1354 | John Ellard | Sugar Cane | fbs | Self Boatman | 36 | |
A1356 | Nathaniel Eskett | Perseus | fbs | Self Boatman | 36 | |
A1442 | Joseph Flood | Boddingtons | fbs | boatman | 38 | |
A1527 | Thomas Farrell | Labourer. Kable’s employ | 40 | |||
A1872 | George Howard | Coromandel 1 | fbs | Self. boatman | 48 | |
A2251 | Robert Jackson | Perseus | fbs | Self. boatman | 56 | |
A2260 | Thomas Johnson | Neptune | fbs | Self. boatman | 56 | |
A2261 | William Jenkins | Hillsborough | fbs | Self. boatman | 56 | |
A2428 | John Kearns | Porpoise | cf | Sailor. Mr Grimes | 60 | |
A2596 | Andrew Lusk | Barwell | EC | Self. boatman | 64 | |
A2648 | George Lowe | Glatton | P | Boats Crew Sydney | 65 | |
A2761 | Patrick Morrison | Boddingtons | fbs | Self. seaman | 68 | |
A2778 | William Miller | Albermarle | fbs | Self.boatman | 68 | |
A3339 | Thomas Oldnell | Barwell | ec | Self.boatman | 81 | |
A3356 | Thomas Oldesley | Pitt | CF | Jonathan Griffiths | 81 | |
A3396 | Benjamin Peate | Salamander | FBS | Self.boatman | 82 | |
A3424 | William Parish | Neptune | FBS | Boat builder. J Underwood | 82 | |
S3507 | William Parish | P | Carpenter Kable’s employ | 84 | ||
A3646 | Joseph Robinson | Active | fbs | Boatman. Thomas Johnson | 87 | |
A3798 | Mary Rogers | William Pitt | P TL | John Marks, sailor | 91 | |
A3878 | Co. Savage | Experiment | CF | Seaman, J Nicholls | 93 | |
A3887 | Robert Shriever | Pitt 1 | EC | Self. boat builder | 93 | |
A3888 | Robert Serring | Royal Admiral1 | FBS | Self. seaman | 93 | |
A3897 | Samuel Stephens | Scarborough 2 | EC | Self. boat builder | 93 | |
A3905 | James Sutherland | Albermarle | FBS | Boatman. W Millar | 93 | |
A4282 | Stephen Thorn | Union | P | Shipwright. J Underwood | 102 | |
A4468 | William Vaughan | Pitt | fbs | Self. boatman | 106 | |
A4474 | Usingema | Endeavour | cf | Lascar. William Skinner | 106 | |
A4494 | John White | Scarborough | EC | Shipwright. J Underwood | 107 | |
A4537 | William Watkins | Pitt | fbs | Self. boatman | 107 | |
A4548 | Thomas Warner | Albermarle | fbs | Seaman. Capt McArthur | 108 |
DRAFT LIST – More information about non Aboriginal people in Bass Strait or linked with Bass Strait – alphabetical by name – people of interest [please post any contributions to the message box below]:
CAMPBELL
William FREEMAN: Workmen ashore were paid daily wages. Mariners were usually paid wages with the master sometimes taking a share of the catch to whet his enthusiasm. However, after about 1809 we find mariners being paid in LAYS at times, both of catches and of theproceeds of other voyages. The sealers themselves were paid in lays, that is, aspecified percentage of the total catch of the fangs to which they belonged. Some shore personnel occasionally went to the sealing grounds, as when cooper William Freeman was paid 120 pounds to go to King Island to make barrels. TA 1 No 289 Mitchell lib MSS A 3609.[Ref.?]
KABLE:
In 1805 a boat from Cape Barren rowed (?) to Port Dalrymple to beg provisions from Lieut Gov Paterson for 20 men in Kable and Underwood’s employ. A Campbell crew in the same area had been 10 weeks without provisions, and were ‘languishing in cold and hunger’ HRNSW v 688 Campbell usually allowed 7 lbs of meat a week, a pound of sugar, but only 8 pounds of flour or biscuit. When rations were exhausted the men were compensated at 10s a week. [Iron: 22]
William MORIARTY
UNDERWOOD
A really interesting site dealing with people who don’t usually get a look-in and a part of our history we know so little about. Thanks, and we’ll be encouraging people to make a visit.
By: Barbara Bennett Sullivan on January 24, 2012
at 11:39 am
Which school were the children sent to in Sydney? I want to follow this up. John Boultbee: (P/H:59, en: 20) ”I have seen several of the offspring of these parties, they are a clever active sort of people and have a handsome countenance, notwithstanding the ugly physiognomies of their mothers. Their colour is copper, with a sort of rosy healthy hue, long but not lank hair, and their dispositions are very prepossessing. Some of them have been sent to Sydney for the purpose of being educated at the Government school”.
By: Janet Donnelly on August 5, 2012
at 12:00 am
Hello Janet
I have tried to chase this up but have not figured if this were true and if so where – eg: Parramatta Native Institution ? and how many children were sent and did they come ‘home’ ?
Hope we might figure it out. Or someone who has might let me know and I’II post that.
All the best
Julie
By: Julie Gough on October 13, 2012
at 10:01 pm
Hi Julie and Janet, this book may be useful, even if it is just for the references of the school’s records:
Brook, J., and Kohen. J. L., The Parramatta Native Institution and the Black Town. A History. New South Wales University Press, New South Wales, 1991
It’s been a while since I read it but I don’t remember them referring to Bass Strait children. However the child who was removed from sealers in King George Sound WA 1827 was sent there.
By: Sarah on June 16, 2014
at 9:09 pm
I am a shaman who can past life travel and shape shift my face between the people I was in the past. I 100% know I was John Randall given land right in Northern Boundary” (North Parramatta). Sold to Joseph Holt for a job in the core and Joseph eventually sold a part of it to John Hackett. After that I was 100% William Lanne aka King Billy. I am still working on my hole timeline of lifes. And I am trying to fill in the bloodline link between the different races I have been. Much easyer if I was working with my family tree. Do you know much about this
By: Jack Scarfe on December 24, 2018
at 9:20 pm
I don’t think genealogy can help you.
By: Anne Tichborne on December 26, 2018
at 12:10 am
researching family tree which includes Pleenperrenner’s daughter. This the clearest documentation I have seen. Other references that you could cite would be appreciated.
By: Barbara Marshall on November 28, 2012
at 2:21 am
Hi Barbara, My Name is Damon Brown. Just wondering how much info you have on Pleenerrenner. My great great grandmother was Letitia Knights, nee Potter. Daughter of Mary Anne Potter, nee Brown who is the Daughter of John Brown and Pleenperrenner, Also known as Nancy Brown. Supposedly Mannalargenna (Aboriginal leader of the Cape Portland People was Pleenperrenners father.
By: Damon on June 8, 2015
at 9:34 pm
I would like to find out more about my family but want to make sure it is absolutely correct. thanks
By: Damon on June 8, 2015
at 9:37 pm
hi, thankyou for your information, I will keep searching.
By: Damon Brown (knights) on October 26, 2017
at 3:03 pm
Hi guys
I’m related too through teekoolterme, mannarlagennas other daughter 🙂
By: Danni on February 5, 2018
at 2:17 pm
Ahoy all,
I’m a descedent of the Hite family and if possible would love to inquire about the family history.
If you can help at all please send me an email at matthewj003@gmail.com.
Cheers.
By: Matthew Ro on January 6, 2023
at 9:03 am
is there anyway possible to find out what happened to a Jane Smith 1824-1886 born on tin kettle island to the sealer John Smith and his partner Pleenperrenner I know she was at Wybalenna with her mother for a while then just seems to disappear could she be the Ann White who married Charles Tatnell in 1843 and was always known as Jane?
By: Roslyn Richardson on December 2, 2012
at 12:28 pm
Tatnells are black, Aboriginal & malay or indian or pakistani.
Apparently from top end aboriginals 1 from Wadeye & 1 from NE Arnhem.
By: Danni on December 28, 2017
at 12:05 pm
hi danni mate alinta here i have done some more reasearch on the tatnell family and it goes back to the westerways on my great grandfathers side russell so u and i are related but wanto where fay tatnell fits in the family from alinta.
By: alinta on March 18, 2019
at 12:30 pm
Hi Alinta
That’s awesome news 😉
Hope your going well 😘
By: Danni on March 19, 2019
at 9:55 pm
hi roslyn did you ever find any information on jane ?
By: heather williams on June 19, 2019
at 7:52 pm
I think some Tatnells descend from Chokey Nuroo, the Indian owner of the Lufra hotel. Some descendants from Fanny Cochrane Smith ?
Never heard of any connection to Pleenperenner.
Anyone?
See: Chokey Nuroo, the Lufra Hotel and a history of Tasmania’s industrious Indian orphan – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation):
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-27/chokey-nuroo-the-untold-history-of-tasmanias-lufra-hotel/8835998
By: Tasmaniana on June 19, 2019
at 10:13 pm
Does anyone have the descendants of the sealer William Cooper, who paired up with the Aboriginal woman Sal in the new colony of South Australia? I think I’m descended from him; we have confirmed Aboriginal genes….
By: diannetrussell on December 30, 2012
at 9:53 pm
You could look for infomation at the Penneshaw or Kingscote museums on Kangaroo Island. I am researching aboriginal history near Yankalilla so it can be incorporated into our districts future as it is absent at present. Many women were forceably taken to KI by the sealers from the Yankalilla district before settlement.There are many referances to Sal on KI. I am looking at Kalloongoo and Condoy’s family as there is historical referances available.
Des.
By: Des Gubbin on June 11, 2013
at 11:42 pm
i am a descendant of Ramindjeri – King Condoy & Kalinga,
By: Laura on December 16, 2014
at 2:13 pm
Hi Laura,
I have some infomation about Condoy (Old Con) who helped solve the mystery of the dissapearance of Captain Barker. My email address is dsandkcgubbin@bigpond.com if any one is interested.
Histotical Researcher Des Gubbin.
By: Des on December 31, 2014
at 3:02 pm
Thanks Des, I live a long way from SA now. Have to do everything online. I have lots of info now, but one vital connection still missing! If I can find that William Cooper and Sall had a son named Thomas who married a Betsy Emma Johnson, then I’m home!
By: Dianne T on February 23, 2017
at 9:51 am
check out rebe taylors book Unearthed the aborigines of Kangaroo island
By: Paul N Docking on October 5, 2020
at 8:46 pm
Nathaniel Thomas (sealer) took Tasmanian Aboriginal Betty to Kangaroo Island around 1820s – any idea of Betty’s Aboriginal name? Refer: Rebe Taylor’s book – “Unearthed”
By: F Barrett on March 28, 2013
at 10:47 am
does anyone have any information or know of captain Johnson who drowned in a boating accident while saving his daughter hareta.
By: diane on March 31, 2013
at 5:36 pm
The name of the Aboriginal lady whose number (14) on the list is Mary Mnnermannemener. She is a distant relative of mine. She was with John Scott the sealer on King Island. If anyone knows any information on her I would like to be contacted. Thank you.
By: Liarne on May 3, 2013
at 5:43 pm
Liarne,
Please contact me ASAP re info on John Scott connection.
Peter Bakker
Hamilton
Victoria
By: Peter Bakker on July 7, 2013
at 2:41 pm
Hi I am the great great great granddaughter of John Scott(Scot) from King Island. Mary was his partner and the mother of his children. I would be interested in hearing from any other descendents. Looking forward to your reply.. Thanks 🙂
By: Sandra on January 4, 2014
at 2:48 pm
Hi Peter my name is Sandra and I am the great great great granddaughter of John Scott of King Island. If you wish to contact me my email address is sanstu@bigpond.com
Thanks
By: Sandra on January 4, 2014
at 2:51 pm
Hi sorry that I haven’t contacted you before now.
I have John Scott’s court case in Lanarkshire Scotland. His brothers last confession (that John was not involved) before he was hung. John’s pardon within 6 months of his trial. However, he did not recieve it nor the authorities here.The ‘Pitt” is the ship he came over here in. Employment, muster records etc. My family line right down to me.
Cheers
Liarne
By: Liarne Howarth on November 19, 2016
at 4:39 pm
Hi Peter,
My email is liarnehowarth@gmail.com
Cheers
Liarne
By: Liarne Howarth on January 30, 2017
at 3:31 pm
There is many confusion here for me, in researching Sarah Ann Scott whom I was told mother was Maria? but only person with children I can seeds Mary?
By: kathleen on September 17, 2022
at 12:36 pm
Hi Peter,
Could you please email me on Brianna.cjb@gmail.com 🙂
Thank you
By: evolvedvibrations on January 18, 2024
at 8:21 pm
Am looking for descendants of Poolrerrener my great-great-great grandmother. She had four (4) children – Puekerterponner, Megobunner, Bullrer, and Edward my great-great grandfather. Can anyone help reconnect me with family in Tasmania. Muchly appreciated.
By: Tairua Hapimana on October 1, 2013
at 9:40 pm
I am researching the Poolrerrener descendants starting from Edward (Tomlins) His Father was also Edward Tomlins and am tracing his descendants to New Zealand then back to Australia where I have contact with his great great great grandson, it would be great to share knowledge of this family so that I am able to get a direct line family tree together
email: poolrerrener@clickatech.com
By: Jeffrey L on April 12, 2017
at 10:51 am
Hi my partner is a great great great great grandson direct link to Samuel Tomlin and Poolrerrener And Sams son is Edward Tomlin the 1st known as Neri Tamarana in NZ. Edward had a half sister Bullrer and her son was Mannalargenna . However Edward had a son named after him Neri the 2nd part maori part aborigine part European and his mother was hipora iwikatea of Te Arawa and Takitimu descent. His email is mikekeefe47@outlook.com
By: Virginia on June 9, 2020
at 1:10 pm
Kia Ora Tairua
My name is Jolena Henry, I am a descendant of Poolrerrener. I too come down the line of Edward “Ned”. Ned is my great great great great grandfather. His son Edward Jnr had 3 children. His eldest child is Akenehi who is my great great grandmother.
I would like to make contact with you
By: Jolena Henry on December 5, 2018
at 1:22 pm
Kia ora is your research of Edward Tomlin still valid???
By: Mike Keefe on January 9, 2023
at 11:30 pm
Kia ora Virginia
Regarding Bullrer:
Yes, Bullrer was a sister to Edward (Ned) Tomlins or Black Ned as he is known to us in Aotearoa/New Zealand. She is an ancestress of ours the Tomlins whanau (family). Of her giving birth to a son named Mannalargenna no evidence of this has shown up in our whanau research. We do know that Bullrer’s first marriage was to Tarnebunner, a North-East palawa warrior some references suggest may have been a son of Mannalagenna. As we are unsure we choose not to claim the connection in our family korero (storyline). It is Bullrer’s second marriage to Kalamaruwinya an Oyster Bay/Big River palawa warrior that is the more documented so therefore sits more comfortably within our korero.
Kindest regards to you,
Heoi ano,
Tairua Hapimana
By: Tairua Hapimana on February 14, 2021
at 2:10 pm
Update from October 1, 2013 post.
Further research on my great-great-great grandmother Poolrerrener shows her as having had five (5) children,
four boys and one girl.
Three of her sons died in Tasmania’s Black War (1824-1832).
Puekerterponner was with his people south of the Georges River when he was shot.
Lurnermetrallenner and Megobunner were shot and killed resisting capture by soldiers at Prosser Plains toward the end of the Black Line campaign of 1830.
Note: connecting with descendants of Poolrerrener through shared family contact continues
By: Tai Hapimana on January 21, 2024
at 5:51 pm
Hello Tai
Thank you for sharing such insightful information about our great-great-great grandmother Poolrerrener and her descendants. Your knowledge about the family’s history, especially during Tasmania’s Black War, adds a significant layer to our understanding of our shared heritage.
I wanted to mention that many of us are gathering and connecting on https://djaambi.com, a space dedicated to our family’s history. We’re currently updating our family tree and would greatly appreciate any additional details you could provide. Your input would be invaluable in ensuring the accuracy and richness of our shared story.
The team at Djerriwarrh Te Moana Nui A Kiwa Aboriginal Corporation is keen to document our history from Poolrerrener to the present day. Your insights would be a fantastic addition, especially for our relatives in Australia and New Zealand who are eager to learn more about our lineage.
Feel free to share any stories or information on the website. Your contributions will help us all in connecting with our roots and each other in a meaningful way.
Looking forward to possibly learning more from your research!
By: Jeffrey Lawson on January 22, 2024
at 12:28 am
does anyone have any information on Catherine Anderson, a daughter of Black Jack Anderson who was taken in by Jonathan Griffiths to Launceston and stayed there for some years
By: John Chilstone on January 29, 2014
at 8:47 am
John I would like to contact you re Jonathan Griffiths story. I have recognised your name from research handed on to me from Maxine Hill in the 1990s. I am a descendant of Ann Potts. After all these years I am writing a book about J’n and Eleanor’s life. I am endeavouring to verify information from original sources where possible. Also seeking Thomas Griffiths (J’ns father) heritage. Also looking for more info re James Kirby.
By: Rhonda Green on August 18, 2014
at 2:51 pm
Dear Rhonda, We are related to Jonathan Griffiths and Eleanor McDonald by the marriages of one of their sons, one of their daughters and a stepson(?) into the Thorley family. Jonathan and Samuel Thorley (1769–1821), who arrived on the Active in 1791, were friends who went into business together, building ships on the Hawkesbury at Richmond. As you would know Eleanor was buried in St Peter’s Church cemetery at Richmond. There is also a Thorley vault there where Samuel and other Thorleys are buried. I have just returned from Norfolk Island where I have found out some more (not much but leading to a lot more questions) about Jonathan’s and Eleanor’s time there. Am also interested in the relationship to the Kirbys and a lot more. Would love to correspond. Best wishes, Jane Morrison
By: Jane Morrison on November 4, 2014
at 9:47 am
I am trying to trace information on my great great grandmother Sarah Ann Kenzi born on Flinders Island in 1839. I can find no information about her mother or father. Please email if you can help out.
Many thanks
By: Morgen on February 22, 2014
at 3:02 pm
I have the same connection Morgen
Did you have any luck??
By: chris hughes on November 21, 2014
at 10:34 pm
Hi Chris, no luck as yet but will let you know if and when I do.
Kind regards Morgen
By: Morgen Hughes on December 1, 2014
at 2:13 pm
Chris, this website lists some information.
http://www.chestnut-blue.com/Chestnut%20Blue-o/p1111.htm#i59419
Kind regards Morgen
By: Morgen Hughes on December 1, 2014
at 2:41 pm
Hi Chris,
Did you have any luck with you Sarah Ann Kenzi queries?
By: Allan John Hughes on January 2, 2021
at 7:21 pm
The following website maybe of interest.Tindale used OCR software in 1953 to copy these records from the Queen Vic Museum in Launceston. Your ancestor does not appear to be on the list.
http://www.cifhs.com/tasrecords/growthofapeople.html
By: Paul Stott on November 26, 2014
at 4:59 pm
Hi Paul
Norman Tindale was the originator of these records.
On the web page I have written
“The following has been created via OCR software from a photocopy of the original paper. All transcription errors are mine. Punctuation is as per the original.”
The original article is as follows
Growth of a People: Formation and Development of a Hybrid Aboriginal and White Stock on the Islands of Bass Strait, 1815 – 1949.
Norman B Tindale
Records of the Queen Victoria Museum, Launceston
New Series, No 2 1st June 1953
Regards
Paul
By: Paul Mackett on January 1, 2019
at 7:04 am
Sarah Ann Kenzie was also my great great grandmother. S K Davie coxswain of the fleet on FlindersIs and later store-man at Oyster Cove aboriginal settlement was her guardian. Who were her natural parents? Why was she in Davie s care?
By: Pauline Hardy on November 29, 2014
at 6:23 pm
Hi Pauline, I can’t seem to find this information out, but will keep trying and let you know if I do.
Kind regards Morgen
By: Morgen Hughes on December 1, 2014
at 2:11 pm
http://www.chestnut-blue.com/Chestnut%20Blue-o/p1111.htm#i59419
Pauline,
This website lists some information.
Kind regards Morgen
By: Morgen Hughes on December 1, 2014
at 2:40 pm
Hi Morgen
Sarah Ann Kenzie appears a number of times as a dna match.
I am confident that she is the daughter of Jonathan Kensie and Mary Ann Langhorne (Chapman)
Regards Ron
By: Ronald McKenzie on November 27, 2019
at 3:34 pm
Hi Ronald,
Can you provide any further information on this.
a-hughes@bigpond.net.au
Regards,
Allan H
By: Allan John Hughes on December 28, 2020
at 4:49 pm
Hi Ronald,
I have only just seen your post from 2 years ago! I should be grateful for any information you could provide on Sarah.
Many thanks
Morgen
By: Morgen Hughes on July 27, 2021
at 2:27 pm
I am a descendant of Black Ned Tomlins and Hipora Iwikatea who had 3 children (1) ,Akenehi a wahine (female)( 2), Tamati a tane (boy) and sec wahine Hera (3) I have most of historian information , I believe their is a photo of my great great great grandparents (Ned Tomlins & Hipora Iwikatea) Can any help, what or where I would find such photos , trying to look for the right website .. the photos do exist .. finding the website
Much appreciated .. .
By: Vallie on April 13, 2014
at 8:51 am
Hi Vallie, hope you’re stil receiviung out there. I’m writing about various sealers who ended up at King Georges Sound in 1826. ned Tomlins was one of them, If you ever did find that picture I’d love a digital copy to paste up on my blog, theviewfrommountclarence.blogspot.com Also looking for any info on a Maori named William Hook, aged abut 16 in 1826, from KeriKeri, Bay of Islands, by all accounts..
By: Ciaran Lynch on June 30, 2015
at 1:56 am
Hi Vallie.can you contact me at jeff@clickatech.com
I am trying to get more information on Black Ned and his mother Bulra
hopefully we both might be able to help each other, I also will have access to photos of black Ned which will be added to the web site we are building for the Djerriwarrh Te Moana Nui A Kiwa Aboriginal Corporation
By: Jeffrey Lawson on August 3, 2016
at 4:16 pm
Tena koe Vallie,
I am the grand daughter of Akenehi and I would like to know more of my whakapapa on this side of my whanau back to Black Ned Tomlins and before him I have a photo of my nan would be very much appreciated.
By: Phyllis Ratima on April 13, 2017
at 2:22 am
hi Jeff just wondering if you have any more info on edward tomlins family i also descend from this family..cheers
By: diane on January 24, 2018
at 1:14 pm
@ Vallie
The photo does exist, I have access to one that will be added to a website soon,
when I have more time and you contact me
@ Ciaran Lynch, I am waiting to receive a proper copy of Black Neds photo and when I get it will let you know.
we have the direct line back from Edward Thomlins and Bulra to today.
from Black Ned marrying Hipora to Hera and her children, but would like more on the other two children.
once I get all this i will add it to the web site for all to see,
@ Phyllis Ratima
Even today the family name keeps running through from the 1800’s with Edward Thomas (Noa) being a great great grandson of black Ned, he lives in Victoria Australia and has all the information you may need.
contact me via email which is above.
I will reply,
By: Jeffrey L on April 13, 2017
at 11:21 am
sorry made a mistake
I said Edward Tomlins , it should have been Samuel Tomlins father to Edward Tomlins
By: Jeffrey L on April 13, 2017
at 12:02 pm
Kia Ora Vallie,
Our family comes down the Akenehi line, Akenehi 1st marriage was to a Takahi they had a son Naita Takahi, he married Roka Nikora they had 2 kids My nanny Hariata Cracknell (Takahi) and her brother Naita jr (Cocky) Takahi. Akenehi 2nd marriage was to a Nicholson…I hope this helps you
By: Koreene HenryCracknell on July 31, 2017
at 11:21 am
Jeffrey, have you read The Sound by Sarah Drummond? Novel; released last year about sealers ranging from New Zealand to far Western Australia. The main male character is loosley based on Ned Tomlins’ story. If thet photo was available I’d post it up and credit it of course on http://www.theviewfrommountclarence.com
Link to review of The Sound here
Best wishes,
Ciaran Lynch
By: Ciaran Lynch on August 1, 2017
at 8:38 pm
Kia Ora just reading with interest on Edward Tomlins i too am a descendant thru Akenehi who had a daughter to a Takahi by the name of Te Aurere who is my grandmother
By: diane on January 24, 2018
at 12:47 pm
Re: No 5. Gudegui [AKA Kude Karra AKA the Ranger – lived on King Island from c.1830s to 1850s without men]. A black woman belonging to Wm Dutton was landed at King Island from the vessel Thistle that had left Portland for Launceston on Monday 5th January 1835,See The Henty Journals p.46. This female was possibly The Ranger.
By: Paul Stott on September 8, 2014
at 8:29 pm
I am looking for details of a “native female servant” named Black Mog who was reported to have been taken from the Hawkesbury River by John Plummer to the River Tamar in Launceston. The Griffiths and Plummers were boat builders in Launceston. Black Mog eventually drowned off Stanley (Tas.) in 1851 and her body was buried there by the Rev. T. N. Grigg.
By: Paul Stott on November 23, 2014
at 11:06 am
Hello all researchers of Bass Strait biographies. There are a couple of books that might be useful if you haven’t seen them already: JS Cumpston, Kangaroo Island 1800–1836, and JW Powling, Port Fairy: the First Fifty Years, William Heinemann, 1980 (Third Imprint 2006). Powling mentions a Mrs Dunlop who ran a mission on Griffiths Island at Port Fairy up to 1853. The Aboriginal name for Port Fairy was “Py-ip-gil” and of Griffths Island, “Mallin” or “Mallone”. During the whaling season upwards of 800 Aboriginal people congregated at Tare-rer, a large swamp east of Port Fairy. There were about 60 Aboriginal people at Tare-rer Conedects (no location given). Powling also refers to the unfair treatment of Aborigines and that the 1857 Census for the Belfast District (in which Port Fairy is located) included 49 Aboriginal people.
Jonathan Griffiths, orphaned at the age of 10, was an English convict who arrived at Port Jackson, New South Wales on the Scarborough on 28 June 1790. He had been sentenced for seven years for stealing a box of clothes. A few weeks after he arrived at Port Jackson he was sent to Norfolk Island. While there he and Eleanor McDonald teamed up. Eleanor was a convict from Dublin who arrived on the Queen in 1791, the first ship to convey Irish convicts to New South Wales. Eleanor too was despatched to Norfolk Island, arriving there on 23 April 1791. Jonathan apparently learnt how to build boats on Norfolk Island. Later, when he returned to Sydney after serving out his sentence on Norfolk Island he was granted some land at Mulgrave Place, Hawkesbury River with others. He began farming and later building ships with others on the Hawkesbury. Jonathan and Eleanor never married (he was Protestant, she Catholic) but they had 10 children together, including five sons–Thomas Griffiths (1797–1826), John Griffiths (c. 1798–1870), William Griffiths (1803–1881), James Griffiths (1808–??) and Henry Griffiths (1812–1889). Jonathan became involved in the sealing and other trade from Sydney to southern ports apart from other business activities. After some years on the Hawkesbury, Jonathan took three of his sons, including John, to Launceston. Eleanor visited but lasted out her days with one of her daughters and grandchildren on the Hawkesbury. At Launceston, Jonathan and his sons took up land, built buildings like a brewery and were also involved in the sealing and whaling industries that took them to Port Fairy and Kangaroo Island. Jonathan died at Port Fairy in November 1839. There is an entry about Jonathan Griffiths which mentions his son, John, in the Australian Dictionary of Biography. This is available online.
By: Jane Morrison on January 11, 2015
at 7:32 am
Hi Jane,
Thank you for all of this wonderful information.
Do you happen to own the J.S. Cumpston book?
I’m looking for information on John ‘Absynnia Jack’ Anderson (1790-1846). According to my current research (which is all of 2 days old), the son of John Sr was likely known as John Henry ‘Black Tom’ Anderson and has 2 potential mothers.
These possibilities are Lowhenhunhue Lorewenunne Anderson or Emue (Emme) Anderson (a Kaurna Aboriginal Woman). Both women are known to have been at Kangaroo Island at different times (where John Jr was born in 1833), but there appears to be some conjecture regarding who the mother is.
Are you aware if there is any mention of these women? One of them is a distant ancestor of mine on my father’s mother’s side 🙂
By: Daniel on September 30, 2021
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Hello Daniel, For some reason I did not get this message from you last September (had a lot of “technical problems” last year.) Don’t have a copy this book by JS Cumpston. It’s sure to be in a large library. Otherwise have you tried The Internet Archive in case there is a copy posted there? Have just come across a post (you may already have it) about John (Abyssinia Jack) Anderson (1786–1846) on Genie: https://www.geni.com/people/John-Anderson/6000000165994547003
By: Jane Morrison on January 21, 2022
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Hello Again Daniel, Some other info on “Abyssinian Jack (again. you may already have this: Two men named Anderson mentioned on the Kangaroo Island Pioneers’ page: https://www.kipioneers.org/history/prior-to-1836/abyssian-jack
By: Jane Morrison on January 21, 2022
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Pollerwotteltelterrunner [AKA Wyyerlooberer/Margaret/Pecocally, bc.c1811, brother was Woretenattelargenne, Abducted when a children by Michael MCKENZIE who sold her to James THOMPSON [d.1835] who lent her to Richard MAYNARD on Gun Carriage Island, removed by James PARISH to the Aboriginal Settlement FM 11/12/1830, had an infant by Richard MAYNARD, p.119]
Above is my family history if anyone can help with finding out anymore at all I’d so much appreciate it thanks
By: Leah Pearce on February 4, 2015
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I also have Woreterlokekoteyer Born c.1806 Cape Portland, Little Musselroe AKA Issac whom I believe to be known as black Judy and was with sealer Edward mansell anything to help me
In gaining more info on any of these ppl would be much appreciated
By: Leah Pearce on February 5, 2015
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Laura Pearce
Auntie Patsy Cameron may be able to help as she descends through Granny Black Judy as she is known here in Tasmania.
Phone number is, 0363 552 338
Dyan Summers.
By: Dyan N Ronnie Summers on March 8, 2016
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in 2012 my cousin was researching my our family tree in reunion island france we were researching our French ancestor joseph Louis villepastour born st denis reunion island 1855 .the genealogist at st denis reunion said that Australian aboriginals were sent to the island .it appears 1848-1862 Australian aboriginals sent to work in sugar production . if you look at (histoire isle da la reuinion) there is some info .in the (gallica biblitheque ) leon maillard book 1862 (australien indigenes esclavage malais importes )
By: shayne hoekstra on July 9, 2015
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Hello, My name is Richie Kennedy. I was wondering if anybody has any information on John Strugnell, if you do you can contact me on my email address (riken@live.com.au), cheers.
By: Richie Kennedy on April 15, 2016
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This is information that you may find interesting. Louisa Briggs was born on Preservation ( aka Gun Carriage ) island. There is no connection in any way to Truganinni. Polly was a Bunurong woman from S E Victoria who was kidnapped by Sealer James Munro and taken to Preservation Island. Truganinni was born and lived on Bruni ( Bruny ) Island on the South East of Tasmania. Truganinni is Tasmanian Aboriginal and is no in any way related to Truganinni that can be verified as true and correct.
Briggs, Louisa (1836–1925)
by Laura Barwick
This entry is from the Australian Dictionary of Biography
Louisa Briggs (1836-1925), Aboriginal leader, dormitory matron and nurse, was born on 14 November 1836 on Preservation Island, Bass Strait, daughter of John Strugnell, a sealer, and Mary (Polly) Munro. Strugnell, as a 17-year-old London chimney sweep, had been transported in 1818. Polly was probably the daughter of James Munro, another sealer, and Doog-by-er-um-bor-oke (Margery Munro), a Woirorung woman kidnapped from Port Phillip.
Louisa was an attractive woman with blue eyes and dark, wavy hair with a distinctive white streak. In 1853 she married John Briggs, the son of a Tasmanian Aboriginal woman and a sealer. Briggs was formerly married to Louisa’s aunt Ann Munro. He and Louisa joined the gold rush in Victoria and worked as shepherds in the Beaufort district and for a squatter near Violet Town until the late 1860s. Between 1853 and 1871 they had nine children. Work was scarce and in 1871 the destitute family joined Coranderrk Aboriginal station, near Healesville.
Next year a dispute with the Board for the Protection of the Aborigines, which managed the station, over the board’s failure to pay a cash wage to all the workers resulted in John being expelled after seeking paid work elsewhere. In 1874 the family returned, in great need, to Coranderrk. There Louisa acted as a nurse and dormitory matron and was appointed a salaried staff member in 1876.
The board’s policy over Coranderrk’s income and the inclusion of newcomers, who were not related to the Kulin clan inhabitants, caused resentment among the residents. Rebellion ensued. Louisa’s leadership and hereditary right made her a spokesperson. She had learned to read, but not to write, so her children acted as scribes for her numerous letters of protest. When the popular manager was replaced, Louisa fought the plans to sell Coranderrk and to relocate its residents. To this end she gave evidence in August 1876 at an inquiry into the running of the station. Widowed in 1878, after further protests Louisa was forced off the reserve, seeking asylum at Ebenezer Aboriginal station, Lake Hindmarsh, where she again acted as a matron. Conditions there were poor and she wrote to the board to complain of the lack of food in 1878 and again in 1881. Following another inquiry into Coranderrk, Louisa returned to the station in 1882 and was left briefly in charge of the dormitory.
Legislation in 1886 forced ‘half-castes’ under the age of 35 off the reserves and Louisa’s family was again exiled from Coranderrk; they sought refuge at Maloga mission in New South Wales. She pleaded to return to Coranderrk but the board claimed that the family was Tasmanian and refused re-entry. In 1889 Louisa and her children moved to Cumeroogunga reserve, on the New South Wales side of the Murray River, opposite Barmah. She again requested to return to Coranderrk in 1892 and was denied. In 1895 ‘half-castes’ were excluded from Cumeroogunga, forcing the family to settle in a makeshift camp at Barmah. In 1903, at the age of 67, Louisa asked for the rations to which she was entitled by age and ancestry. Again the board refused ‘for the reason she is a half caste of Tasmania’. She later returned to Cumeroogunga, where she died on 6 September 1925. Out of affection, local children covered her coffin with violets. A church-going Presbyterian, Louisa was strong minded, hardworking, known for her kindness and love of children and for her humour, audacity and courage.
Select Bibliography
* R. B. Smyth, The Aborigines of Victoria (Melb, 1878)
* D. E. Barwick et al, Metaphors of Interpretation (Canb, 1985)
* H. Radi (ed), 200 Australian Women (Syd, 1988)
* D. E. Barwick, Rebellion at Coranderrk (Canb, 1998)
* album of 156 photos by Frederick Kruger, 1876-78 (Museum Victoria).
Citation details
Laura Barwick, ‘Briggs, Louisa (1836–1925)’, Australian Dictionary of Biography, National Centre of Biography, Australian National University, http://ia.anu.edu.au/biography/briggs-louisa-12816/text23133, accessed 13 July 2016.
By: Dyan Summers on October 23, 2017
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This was written by Carolyn Briggs, She is the Senior Elder of the Boonwurrung Foundation. Carolyn has photos of Louisa Briggs, her grandmother I believe. I hope you find this helpful. I know Carolyn.
Louisa Briggs – living across two worlds
The Boon Wurrung consisted of six clans, they were know as the Yallukit Willam, Ngaruk Willam, Mayune Baluk, Boon Wurrung Balu, Yownegerra and the Yaloock Balluk.
The women regularly journeyed along the coast to visit what is now called Half Moon Bay and Black Rock, stopping off along the beaches and camping at the rock pools.
One of the last journeys made through the area occurred in the 1830s, at about the time of the arrival of Batman and Faulkner at Melbourne. Louisa Briggs was born some time in the 1830s and her story was preserved because she lived to a very old age and passed away in 1923.
Louisa and the other women journeyed along the coast to Point Nepean, as was their custom. But these women never returned from their journey. Upon reaching Point Nepean, they were kidnapped by sealers and taken to islands in Bass Strait.
Louisa married a Tasmanian Aborigine, John Briggs, and returned to live in her country. In 1878 Brough Smythe recorded:
John Briggs, a half caste Tasmanian, who intermarried with a half caste Australian, has had ten children, of whom eight are now living – three boys and five girls. John Briggs was born in one of the islands in the Bass Strait. His wife is the daughter of an Australian woman, who with her sister, was taken to Tasmania at the time Buckley was removed from Port Phillip to that colony.
Louisa Briggs returned to her country and travelled across Victoria during the Gold Rush period. She returned to settle at Corranderk, where some of her kin still lived. In 1967 Captain Crawford Pascoe, a superintendent at Corranderk, recorded:
On Preservation Island was Jimmy Munro, who had held the title of King of the Straits and had been there then (1842) for thirty years. He had his lubra but no family of his own. She had one little girl, whom he had brought with the mother, but I never knew what part they had been taken from till forty years after, when I met the “little girl” at Corranderk Aboriginal Station in Victoria as Mrs Briggs, then an old grandmother. Visiting this station, where I knew some of the blacks, Mrs Briggs said that she knew me when I was a little girl at Preservation Island, and remembered my having given her some biscuits. She told me that she and her mother were near Pt Nepean at the entrance to Port Phillip when Jimmy came in with his boat and carried them off. She told me that the name of my vessel in proof of her memory, the Vansittart.
Louisa and her family became very active in the struggle for their rights. She took over the role of midwife and carer for many of the children while at Coranderk. In 1876 the Melbourne Argus reported on her:
She is matron of the establishment, on a salary of 10 shillings a week and manages the affairs of the children and young people “in school” with the utmost vigilance and much success. She is their cook and laundress and general monitor and governate. She is also the accoucheuse [midwife] in ordinary of the establishment, the general nurse in sickness, and a hand and vigorous all round administrator. Coranderk could not be what it is without Mrs Briggs.
Louisa and her family were forced to leave Coranderk because of government policies and she moved with her family to Cummergungs, a reserve on the Murray River. Here she lived out her life, often telling stories of her past and keeping her culture alive.
In 1929 she was interviewed by Hall and Taylor, a team from Sydney University. They recorded some of her history:
Further conversations [with Louisa Briggs] lead her to tell us that her mother’s full name was Mary and her grandmother’s name Marjorie. The latter was a full blood of Melbourne. In her childhood, Louisa was taken in a little sailing boat to Tasmania and lived in the “highlands” there. She married John Briggs. The folks lived with stuck upright posts in the ground and roofed in the enclosure with grass. Louisa’s father was John Strugnell, a white man and her mother a half caste. She had returned from Tasmania to Melbourne when that city had more than three houses but was smaller than Cummergoonga and the exhibition ground was all forest, which had been about 1830-1837 which makes Louisa well over the century as she was at that time a married woman.
When Ellen Campbell, the granddaughter of Louisa Briggs, was interviewed in the 1960s she identified Louisa as having been born in the coastal area south of Melbourne.
This story shows the strength of the oral history tradition of the Boon Wurrung people.
Also John Briggs was married to Dolly Dalrymple, daughter of Manalargenna from the Cape Protland area, Trawlwoolway people. Their son John went to Victoria and it is tnrough this John that Louisa comes through. There is no blood or Kinship relationship between John Briggs Jnr, Dolly Dalrymple or John Briggs Snr and Truganinni.
By: Dyan Summers on October 23, 2017
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Re this : “John Briggs was married to Dolly Dalrymple, daughter of Manalargenna from the Cape Protland area, Trawlwoolway people.”
= a slight error- should read something like :
Woretemoeteyerner (Trawlwoolway people, Cape Portland) was the (probably eldest) daughter of Mannalargenna. She and one “sealer” partner, George Briggs – family from Bedfordshire, were the parents of John Briggs, Dalrymple Briggs (“Dolly”), Eliza Briggs and Mary Briggs.
By: Tasmaniana on October 23, 2017
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Could you please provide supporting authentic documentation that clearly shows this. I am interested to see this.
By: Dyan Summers on October 24, 2017
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Alinta, I am not aware that anyone has denied you your identity. My statement was and my strong belief still is that Truganinni was not related ( blood or kinship ) to Louisa Briggs. Until I can be given authentic archival documentation to prove this then my opinion will not change. I would be very interested to see any documentation to support what you are saying. There are many stories told about Truganinni, many without substance I might add. Please show the documentation to me to prove me wrong.
By: Dyan Summers on October 24, 2017
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hello there alinta its tom from devonport have not spoken for a while lost your phone number could you use my email tombens@bigpond.net.au
By: Thomas Benson on September 15, 2019
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Truganna had no child not related to dolly
By: Paul N Docking on October 5, 2020
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And John Briggs if possible.
By: Richie Kennedy on April 16, 2016
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Carolyn Briggs from the Boonwoorung Foundation in Melbourne Victoria may be able to assist. They have a website or just do a Google search for Carolyn Briggs.
By: Dyan Summers on April 16, 2016
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Hi Alinta, from my information there is a myth ( in Victoria only I believe ) that Truganinni had a child. There is no documentation that I am aware of to support this myth. There was also some thought that she may have had a child that was stillborn. This is quite possible as she was used and sexually abused by many white settlers including George Augustus Robinson and had very serious sexually transmitted diseases and was considered to be sterile. On her death bed she cried for her child she never got to meet, one assumes that this is the child she had that was stillborn. From my belief this stillborn child was born within a short time after colonisation in Tasmania. There is also information that the Clarke family have a connection to Truganinni, this is I believe through a connection from Bruny Island and not a direct line from Truganinni. I am keen to see supported documentation and historical facts to show that Truganinni had a daughter that survived to have children.
By: Flinders Island, Tasmania on October 17, 2017
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Hi, does anyone have any further information on Tarerernorerer (aka Mary Anne) abducted by John Williams, or whether John Williams fathered any children with aboriginal women.
By: Tess on May 10, 2016
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Hi
I think this is Walyer – lots written about her. Don’t know that she had any children. She is quoted as saying she liked white men as much as black snakes.
By: manuscript3251 on May 10, 2016
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Hi Again Alinta and other people interested, I might have put this up before, but here is link to the Australian Dictionary of the Biography entry on Tarenorerer (1800–1831), also known as Walyer and Mary Anne: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/tarenorerer-13212
Regards, Jane
By: Jane Morrison on November 2, 2017
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Hi Again Alinta, there’s another publication by Vicki Matson-Green that mentions Walyer (Tarenorerer or Mary Anne) that might be useful: “Pallawah Women: their historical contribution to our survival: Part II: Leaders among Pallawah women”, Tasmanian Historical Research Association Papers and Proceedings, 1994, v. 41, no. 2, pp. 67–70.
By: Jane Morrison on November 2, 2017
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For examples of information about Tarenorerer (1800–1831), also known as Walyer, see the Australian Dictionary of Biography at : http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/tarenorerer-13212, on Convict Creations at: http://www.convictcreations.com/history/walyer.html, http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/W/Walyer%202.htm, http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/W/Walyer.htm, on Trove at: http://trove.nla.gov.au/people/752087?c=people. While no children are mentioned, this does not mean she didn’t have any.
By: Jane Morrison on May 11, 2016
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[…] There is no substitute for N J B Plomley’s compilation of Robinson’s journals and papers, but for a useful overview and on-line summary, go to Bass Strait People 1790-1850 […]
By: Campbell Taylor and the Cape Arid Connection – Part 3 (a) – The View From Mount Clarence on May 30, 2016
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[…] time her master, Mr S.R. Chase, left Kemp & Co and took on a government job. The website Bass Strait People reveals his […]
By: Campbell Taylor and the Cape Arid Connection – Part 3 (b) – The View From Mount Clarence on May 30, 2016
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anyone know or heard or any records of thomas hite who was a sealer and took an aboriginal woman. would love to hear from you.
By: thomas benson on August 19, 2016
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Hello also looking for Henrietta Hunter have no other info on her
By: thomas benson on August 19, 2016
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I have a book titled Sealers of Bass Strait. I will see what I can find for you.
By: Dyan Summers on April 13, 2017
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Ahoy all,
I’m a descedent of the Hite family and if possible would love to inquire about the family history.
If you can help at all please send me an email at matthewj003@gmail.com.
Cheers.
By: Matthew Ro on January 6, 2023
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There is a book Titled, The Sealers of Bass Strait and the Cape Barren Island Community. Written by Brian Plomley and Kristen Ann Henley.
Astrolabe Booksellers stock it. It is a publication by the Tasmanian Historical Research Association. To purchase the book you would need to email
books@astrolabe oops.com.au
Cost is around $45.
I have found this book to contain a lot of information and is a great resource. I had been searching for a long time for information on my family history and by accident I stumbled across this. Money well spent for me and I am sure it would help you too in seeking information.
By: Dyan Summers on August 19, 2016
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hello everyone the hite family i have a lot of info but there is one link missing could maybe the connection we are looking for thomas hite.
william hite down the line is my mothers grandfather
By: thomas benson on April 12, 2017
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I would be grateful if you could provide me with any information on Thomas Hite and his children William and Ann. I am a descendant of William Hite. Trying to get validation of Williams aboriginality.
Maxine
By: Maxine on October 6, 2020
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hi maxine alinta here, william hite was native
thankyou
from alinta you will need to ask thomas benson, thomas hite was married to mary margaret briggs one of my 8th times great grandfather’s grandaughters mannalargenna.
thankyou.
By: alinta taylor on October 14, 2020
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Hi Alinta
Is a ‘native’ someone born in Tasmania or indigenous person?
Do you have any more information that you can tell me about William hite. If so I would be very grateful.
Kind regards. Macine
By: Maxie on October 14, 2020
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“Native” was a term popular and much used in Tasmania for NON Aboriginal people born here – to emphasise that they weren’t transported
convicts, and often added to their tombstones by their children, also instead of a ship name in archival re-record s to show they were native-born, born here. Aboriginal people were usually then termed by colonists: “Native blacks” or Aborigines. It would be good to research all terms used and start, end, continuance and population application dates for terms such as these. The term “Native” causes huge confusion today – and a great many people mistakenly think their ancestor was Aboriginal !
By: Tasmaniana on October 14, 2020
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It may be confusing in Australia, but “native of” or “native place”, in the English language has always meant “place of birth or origin”, regardless of country. Although I’m used to seeing it in many genealogical records, it certainly is more widely used, as you say, to differentiate between immigrants and convicts in Australian early times, and those “native to the Colony of New South Wales” etc. aka “Born in the Colony” which I’ve seen as frequently used.
By: Julie Collins on October 14, 2020
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“Native” was a term popular and much used in Tasmania for NON Aboriginal people born here – to emphasise that they weren’t transported
convicts, and often added to their tombstones by their children, also instead of a ship name in archival records to show they were native-born = born here.
Aboriginal people were usually at the corresponding timeframe called by colonists: “Native blacks” or Aborigines.
It would be good to research all terms used and start, end, continuance and population application dates for terms such as these.
The term “Native” causes huge confusion today – and a great many people mistakenly think their ancestor was Aboriginal !
By: Tasmaniana on October 14, 2020
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Thank you alinta
By: Maxie on October 14, 2020
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Hi Thomas my great grandmother was Laura Allford née hite and her father was William hite and her mother Selina Hawley. Are you related to me?
Kind regards maxine
By: Maxie on October 14, 2020
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hi maxie alinta here , yes we are related
thankyou
from alinta and thomas benson is aswell.
By: alinta taylor on October 14, 2020
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I am particularly interested in any documented information that anyone may have related to any women who were taken from Point Nalean /South East Victoria and taken to Kangaroo Island by Sealers.
Also any information on Jane Foster who married an Armstrong and a woman by the name of Nandergoroke aka Elizabeth Maynard who was kidnapped and taken to Cape Barren Island in Bass Strait. Nandergoroke is one of my maternal grandmothers.
My email address is
dyan1952@hotmail.com
Thank you
Dyan Summers
By: Dyan Summers on April 12, 2017
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Thank you for your help.tom
By: thomas benson on April 13, 2017
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Hi All, In case you haven’t seen it, there is a short history of Kangaroo Island by Flinders Ranges Research at: https://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/ki.htm
An interesting mention is that of the first recorded birth on Kangaroo Island: “Among some of the earliest settlers were William Walker, who arrived in 1819 and George Bates who settled on the island in 1824. The first birth recorded on the island was that of Mary Seymour in 1833. Her[e] parents were Nathaniel Walles Thomas and Betty, a full blooded Tasmanian Aborigine. These pre-colonial settlers made their living by hunting, fishing, skin and salt trading and even growing some vegetables.”
Jane Morrison
By: Jane Morrison on October 23, 2017
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On kangaroo Island William Walker married Sally Walker (Kalinga) from Cape Jervis on the main land. Sally’s father Condoy was good friend of George Bates, George calling him Old Con. Condoy took Sally over to KI possibly at the age of fifteen. Condoy and Sally also assisted in solving the Mystery of the Disappearance of Captain Barker at the Murry Mouth where Barker was speared to death. Karno Walker a decedent of Sally and a friend of mine went to KI after land at Murray Lagoon was given to the Walker family by the Indigenous Land Council. Sadly Karno passed away two years ago before he could fully realize his dream to complete the building of the Ramindjeri Cultural Centre on KI. The land called Wulde Waiirri a Ramindjeri word is now managed by Karno’s wife Christine Walker and Auntie Viv (Unbulara)
By: Des Gubbin on October 25, 2017
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A bit more on Aboriginal people on Kangaroo Island:
ABORIGINES ON KANGAROO ISLAND
“When Matthew Flinders first mapped Kangaroo Island in 1803, he found a humanless sanctuary. Seal hunters soon arrived and, as in Bass Strait, a cross-cultural community emerged of British sealers and the Aboriginal women they took from Tasmania and the nearby Kaurna and Ngarrindjeri countries. Kangaroo Island became a place where skins replaced coats and where the English language might be forgotten – where Aboriginal women, at first mistreated, were eventually respected for their knowledge of how to live in an uncolonised land.
In 1836 the South Australian Company arrived to establish a new province. Many of the first Islanders were displaced as a farming community grew. But until the late 1870s, three Tasmanian Aboriginal women – Sal, Suke and Betty – remained. They continued to live traditionally, clearing the land with fire and hunting with dogs. All three women outlived Trukanini. Betty’s descendants still live on Kangaroo Island, but have only recently discovered their ancestry.
Blood alone cannot sustain memory. Much of their history is remmbered in the land on Kangaroo Island. There are creeks, gullies and paddocks with names that recall the stories of the Aboriginal women and their sealer partners. The people who tell them are the island’s colonial descendants who have continued to farm the land on Kangaroo Island for over five generations. A history of exclusion resulted in a history lost. But as Betty’s descendants return to the land and recover the history it retains, they are forming a new identity.
Further reading: R Taylor, Unearthed, Kent Town, SA, 2002.
Rebe Taylor
Copyright 2006, Centre for Tasmanian Historical Studies
From The Companion to Tasmanian History at:
http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/A/Aborigines%20on%20Kangaroo%20Island.htm
By: Jane Morrison on October 23, 2017
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Sorry you are right, It was George Briggs who was married to Dolly Dalrymple, aka Worretemoyeteyenner. She was the daughter of Manaleaprgenna. George Briggs was a Sealer. No relation to Truganinni what so ever.
By: Dyan Summers on October 23, 2017
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Dalrymple Briggs AKA “Dolly” married Thomas Johnson. George Briggs was her father and Woretemoeteyerner her mother.
By: Tasmaniana on October 23, 2017
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Kangaroo Island: human habitation goes back to c. 10,000 years ago. See more on Kangaroo Island at: http://www.kangarooisland.sa.gov.au/aboutKI
By: Jane Morrison on October 23, 2017
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Kangaroo Island: archaeology and how Aboriginal people lived there until about 2,000 years ago. Fate of the original Aboriginal people on Kangaroo Island until the early 1800s still a mystery? See SA Museum’s info at: http://www.kangarooisland.sa.gov.au/aboutKI
By: Jane Morrison on October 23, 2017
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Hello Alinta: According to historian Lyndall Ryan, in her book (if you haven’t seen it), Tasmanian Aborigines: A history since 1803, Allen & Unwin, 2012 (should be in libraries and possibly still available for sale online and in bookstores), p. 41: “Truganini … was born in 1812 at Recherche Bay, where her father, Mangerner, was the chief of the Lyluequonny clan.”; p. 155: [GA] “Robinson was appointed to take care of the Nuenonne people on Bruny Island on 15 March 1829 …”. The third family he made contact with “contained Mangerner, who was about fifty, his daughter Truganini, aged about seventeen, and his unnamed wife, aged about thirty, who was at the time visiting relatives at Port Davey with their adolescent son … Most of the Aborigines at Rat Bay had gruesome experience of the colonial invaders. Truganini’s two sisters, Lowhenunhe and Maggerleede, had been abducted by black American sealer John Baker and were known to be living with another sealer, John Hepthernet, on Kangaroo Island. Truganini’s finance, Paraweena, had been mutilated and killed in the D’Entrecasteaux Channel by two other sealers … On her return to Bruny Island, Mangerner’s wife was abducted by the mutineers on the brig Cyprus, and their son drowned.”
pp. 267–268 “She [Truganini] was born in about 1812, the daughter of Mangerner, chief of the Lyluequonny clan of the South East Nation. By the time she met Robinson at Bruny Island in 1829 at the age of seventeen, her mother had been stabbed by a party of sealers, her sister Moorinna had been abducted to Bass Strait by another sealer and there accidentally shot, and her fiancé Paraweena, had been thrown out of a boat by sawyers … Following the death of her father in the winter of 1829, she partnered Wooraddy, the recently widowed chief of the Nuenonne clan … contrary to her biographer’s claim, there is no evidence that she had a sexual relationship with Robinson. There is no evidence in the colonial record that she bore children but there is some evidence in the Aboriginal record … aged thirty, at Wybalena she lived with the Big River man, Weernerpaterlargenna (Alphonso), but he died in 1847 …”
Seeing what else I can find, Jane
By: Jane Morrison on October 24, 2017
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RE: TRUCANINI and any descendants.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence that Trucanini had a child, or at least any child that survived beyond babyhood.
There are at least two key published and incorrect accounts that have led people astray to think that Louisa Esme Strugnell (m. John Briggs) was Tasmanian Aboriginal or related to Trucanini. The first published – and likely the one that has been misleading everyone since 1925 is in THE ARGUS, 15 Sept. 1925. p.1 – Louisa’s obituary:
[1]
TASMANIAN NATIVE.
Dies Aged 107 Years.
SYDNEY, Monday – Louisa Briggs, a
half-caste aborigine died at the Cummera-
junga Aborigine Station on September
8 at the great age of 107 years. Being
directly related to King John and Queen
Truganini she was one of the last of
the Tasmanians. She was a fine type of
half caste aborigine Her hair was snow
white. She had a constitution of iron
and was a very heavy smoker but did not
indulge in intoxicating liquor. She was a
prolific reader of good literature but still
she was a happy as a child when able to
peruse a comic paper She was in pos-
session of all her faculties till 19 months
ago and at odd short periods since.
From:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2137949
* Note that Louisa was born c.1836 and died in 1925 aged c.89 – not 107 !!
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Unfortunately the biography of Banjo Clarke (Wisdom Man, Banjo Clarke as told to Camilla Chance, Penguin Books, 2003, Sydney)
See: http://ia.anu.edu.au/biography/clarke-banjo-17786
– includes this misinformation – which is primarily why it continues to be believed, shared and republished, despite the Tasmanian Aboriginal community explaining that this descendency from Trucanini is not viewed as possible. This belief might indicate ANOTHER line of ancestral Tasmanian Aboriginal descent eg: from John Briggs, in the instance of Victoria/Port Phillip.
see also:
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John Briggs, a half-caste Tasmanian, who intermarried with a half-caste Australian, has had ten children, of whom eight are now living — three boys and five girls. John Briggs was born in one of the Islands in Bass’s Straits. His wife is the daughter of an Australian woman, who, with her sister, was taken to Tasmania at the time that Buckley was removed from Port Phillip to that colony. His eldest son is between seventeen and eighteen years of age, and the youngest child is two months old. He says he was married in 1844. He is an intelligent man ; tall and well-formed, but weather- beaten in appearance. His hair is grey ; his complexion yellow — dull yellow ; his teeth large, and not close together ; his hair woolly, somewhat like that of a negro ; his eyes dark -brown ….
Ref:
http://www.archive.org/stream/aboriginesofvict01smyt/aboriginesofvict01smyt_djvu.txt
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Commander Crawford Pasco R.N. visited the Bass Strait islands in 1842 in the Government vessel the Vansittart; in 1897 he published his reminiscences:
“On Preservation Island was Jimmy Munro who held the title of King of the Straits, and had been there then (1842) for thirty-seven years. [since 1805?] He had his lubra, but no family of his own. She had one little girl, whom he had brought with the mother, but I never knew what part they had been taken from till forty years after, when I met the “little girl” at Coranderrk Aboriginal Station in Victoria as Mrs. Briggs, then an old grandmother. Visiting this station, where I knew some of the blacks Mrs. Briggs said she knew me when she was a little girl at Preservation Island and remembered my having given her some biscuits. She told me that she and her-mother were near Port Nepean at the entrance of Port Phillip, when Jimmy came in with his boat and carried them off. She told me the .name of my vessel, in proof of her memory, the Vansittart”
Ref: Pasco, Crawford & Prichard, T. H. (Thomas Henry), 1845-1907 (1897). A roving commission : naval reminiscences. George Robertson, Melbourne.
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DIARY OF JAMES DREDGE
Melbourne Port Phillip “June 16 1841. During the week a young man of the Boonworongs arrived in the Edina from Adelaide. It appears that about 5 years ago this tribe was on the coast of the Bay near Arthur’s Seat, when a vessel came in, and, having anchored., her crew went ashore. Early one morning they induced 9 women and 2 boys to go in their boat, and took them on board their vessel and sailed out of the harbour. One of the women contrived afterwards to make her escape, and returned to her own people. The others were taken to Preservation Island … The young man now returned, after a time was taken to Launceston whence he escaped in a vessel which he thought would take him home. Her destination however was Swan River where he lived amongst Europeans,, made himself useful as a stockkeeper, and eventually obtained one pound per week wages. An opportunity offering he took his passage in a vessel bound to Adelaide, for which he paid 0 – and then hired himself on board the Edina to work his passage to P.P. where he has joined his relatives …. He is fine youth and speaks English pretty well …. The blacks say that many years ago a vessel put into Western Port, and attempted to carry off some of the women, who saved themselves by running away, the whites however fired upon them, killed 2 and lamed others. Some of them carry the shots in their flesh to this day.”
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G.A. Robinson visited the Bass Strait islands in January 1837 and listed a number of Australian aboriginal women living with the sealers, two were from Port Lincoln (South Australia) the others were taken from Port Phillip by George Meredith (who had since been murdered by Aborigines in South Australia) and were living with the sealers Munro, Maynard, Everett and Strugnall.
“At Preservation is Munro who had a New Holland woman., a native of Port Phillip and a daughter about 14 years of age that she had in her own country….another daughter belonging to this woman was living with Strugnall on Gun Carriage Island by whom she had had two children. She was about 16 years of age….one of the two children was about 2 years old, the other about three weeks.”
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R. Brough Smyth in 1876 (at one time Secretary of the Board for the Protection of the Aborigines) compiled notes on the Aborigines of Australia and Tasmania which were published in 1878.
He described John Briggs as “a half-caste Tasmanian who inter married with a half-caste Australian, has had ten children, of whom eight are now living – three boys and five girls. John Briggs was born in one of the islands in Bass’s Straits. His wife is the daughter of an Australian woman who with her sister, was taken to Tasmania at the time that Buckley(**) was removed from Port Phillip to that colony. His eldest son is between seventeen and eighteen years of age, and the youngest son is two months old. He says he was married in 1844. He is an intelligent man; tall and well-formed, but weather-beaten in appearance. His hair is grey (gives full physical description). He is the only half-caste Bass’s Straits man I have ever had the opportunity of closely examining. He is very different from the half-caste Australian…..
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Louisa Briggs 1836 – 1925 Aboriginal leader
From:
http://www.200australianwomen.com/names/030.html
Louisa Briggs (1836-1925), Aboriginal leader, was born on 14 November 1836 on Preservation Island, Bass Strait, the second daughter of Polly Munro and Robert Strugnell, who in 1818 as a seventeen year old chimney-sweep had received a seven year sentence of transportation. Polly was a daughter of Doogbyerumboreoke, a Woirorung woman from Port Phillip, and James Munro, a sealer permanently settled on Preservation Island. Louisa grew up in a stable island community, learning to read but not write. At seventeen she married John Briggs, the son of another Aboriginal woman and a seaman turned sealer.
About 1853 they went to the Victorian goldfields, where the first of their nine children was born. For some years they worked as shepherds in the Beaufort district and in 1871 shortly after Louisa bore her last child, they were admitted destitute to Coranderrk Aboriginal Station. Coranderrk had been created an Aboriginal Reserve earlier at the request of Louisa’s Woiworung and Bunurong relatives, but was then under control of the Board for the Protection of Aborigines, and producing hops. John was employed as a ploughman but left after a dispute about the Board’s failure to pay a cash wage to all workers. The family was readmitted in 1874, again in need.
On Coranderrk Louisa acted as nurse and midwife. She was appointed matron in 1876, the first Aboriginal to replace a European on salaried staff. By ability, position and hereditary right she became spokesperson for the residents, though her letters to the Board had to be written for her. The Board’s policy of bringing Aboriginal orphans from elsewhere in Victoria to Coranderrk and using the profits from hops for their support, kindled the simmering resentment over poor wages, culminating in rebellion. That the newcomers had no traditional claim to reserve land, was an additional grievance. After initial success in securing the reappointment of the popular first manager, Louisa fought the Board’s plans to sell Coranderrk, and remove Coranderrk residents to other reserves. She gave evidence to the 1876 inquiry but after further complaint was forced off the reserve. She was then a widow. With her younger children she moved to Ebenezer Aboriginal Station where she became a confidante of the missionary, but her children objected to conditions there. She wrote complaining they were starving.
After a week-long strike and another inquiry in 1881 which recommended dismissal of the manager and permanent retention of Coranderrk, Louisa and her family were reunited. Her sons were refused permission to take up land on Coranderrk as selectors but it became a statutory reserve and thus ‘permanent’. Louisa was reappointed matron but another woman was placed over her; she later was in trouble for taking sugar and hops to make beer. Under an 1886 Act ‘half castes’ under 35 years of age were expelled from reserves. When Louisa’s adult sons were forced off, she followed. Unable to earn a living from shepherding, in 1885 the family entered Muloga Mission, on the New South Wales side of the Murray, and from there removed to nearby Cumeroogunga Reserve in 1889. Louisa’s later years saw her move to Barmah where she was refused rations ‘for the reason she is a half caste of Tasmania’, then back to Cumeroogunga, where she died in 1925. She was a strong-minded, hard-working woman, a regular church-goer, remembered for her humour, audacity and courage.
Heather Radi
Diane Barwick, ‘This Most Resolute Lady’ in Metaphors of Interpretation ed Diane Barwick 1985.
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BRIGGS, LOUISA (1836-1925), http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/AS10057b.htm
Aboriginal leader, dormitory matron and nurse, was born on 14 November 1836 on Preservation Island, Bass Strait, daughter of John Strugnell, a sealer, and Mary (Polly) Munro. Strugnell, as a 17-year-old London chimney sweep, had been transported in 1818. Polly was probably the daughter of James Munro, another sealer, and Doog-by-er-um-bor-oke (Margery Munro), a Woirorung woman kidnapped from Port Phillip.
Louisa was an attractive woman with blue eyes and dark, wavy hair with a distinctive white streak. In 1853 she married John Briggs, the son of a Tasmanian Aboriginal woman and a sealer. Briggs was formerly married to Louisa’s aunt Ann Munro. He and Louisa joined the gold rush in Victoria and worked as shepherds in the Beaufort district and for a squatter near Violet Town until the late 1860s. Between 1853 and 1871 they had nine children. Work was scarce and in 1871 the destitute family joined Coranderrk Aboriginal station, near Healesville.
Next year a dispute with the Board for the Protection of the Aborigines, which managed the station, over the board’s failure to pay a cash wage to all the workers resulted in John being expelled after seeking paid work elsewhere. In 1874 the family returned, in great need, to Coranderrk. There Louisa acted as a nurse and dormitory matron and was appointed a salaried staff member in 1876.
The board’s policy over Coranderrk’s income and the inclusion of newcomers, who were not related to the Kulin clan inhabitants, caused resentment among the residents. Rebellion ensued. Louisa’s leadership and hereditary right made her a spokesperson. She had learned to read, but not to write, so her children acted as scribes for her numerous letters of protest. When the popular manager was replaced, Louisa fought the plans to sell Coranderrk and to relocate its residents. To this end she gave evidence in August 1876 at an inquiry into the running of the station. Widowed in 1878, after further protests Louisa was forced off the reserve, seeking asylum at Ebenezer Aboriginal station, Lake Hindmarsh, where she again acted as a matron. Conditions there were poor and she wrote to the board to complain of the lack of food in 1878 and again in 1881. Following another inquiry into Coranderrk, Louisa returned to the station in 1882 and was left briefly in charge of the dormitory.
Legislation in 1886 forced ‘half-castes’ under the age of 35 off the reserves and Louisa’s family was again exiled from Coranderrk; they sought refuge at Maloga mission in New South Wales. She pleaded to return to Coranderrk but the board claimed that the family was Tasmanian and refused re-entry. In 1889 Louisa and her children [where was John??] moved to Cumeroogunga reserve, on the New South Wales side of the Murray River, opposite Barmah. She again requested to return to Coranderrk in 1892 and was denied. In 1895 ‘half-castes’ were excluded from Cumeroogunga, forcing the family to settle in a makeshift camp at Barmah. In 1903, at the age of 67, Louisa asked for the rations to which she was entitled by age and ancestry. Again the board refused ‘for the reason she is a half caste of Tasmania’. She later returned to Cumeroogunga, where she died on 6 September 1925. Out of affection, local children covered her coffin with violets. A church-going Presbyterian, Louisa was strong minded, hardworking, known for her kindness and love of children and for her humour, audacity and courage.
Select Bibliography
R. B. Smyth, The Aborigines of Victoria (Melb, 1878); D. E. Barwick et al, Metaphors of Interpretation (Canb, 1985); H. Radi (ed), 200 Australian Women (Syd, 1988); D. E. Barwick, Rebellion at Coranderrk (Canb, 1998); album of 156 photos by Frederick Kruger, 1876-78 (Museum Victoria).
Author: Laura Barwick
Print Publication Details: Laura Barwick, ‘Briggs, Louisa (1836 – 1925)’, Australian Dictionary of Biography, Supplementary Volume, Melbourne University Press, 2005, pp 45-46.
By: Tasmaniana on October 24, 2017
at 12:17 pm
there are very good comments here and i can learn a lot.
looking for info on Mr John Stalker and Mr Duncan Stalker
Duke of Atol
By: tombens on October 25, 2017
at 10:31 pm
A0015 William and john Austin any further information on these 2
By: Kim austin on December 2, 2017
at 9:40 pm
hello kim thank you for the info on the sealers and aboriginal women it will be interesting reading, thomas hite was suppose to have been a sealer and took and aboriginal women he is the person our family is looking for and can’t fine well just never know what might turn up. again thank you.
By: Thomas Bensontom on December 3, 2017
at 3:17 pm
hello cousin very very nice to meet you drop me a note my email tombens@bigpond.net.au
By: Thomas Bensontom on February 4, 2018
at 7:41 pm
what an awesome sight u have built 🙂
By: Danni on December 28, 2017
at 12:07 pm
Hi Alinta
It appears that the people you describe (Dwyer etc), by name, don’t link / match any people in historical records/archives / BDM (birth/baptism/ death/marriage certificates) that link to any of the Aboriginal people you also list.
Because this is a website about Bass Strait in colonial times, and you seem to be focusing on the Oyster Cove area and seeking ancestors in that region it seems you shouldn’t waste time writing on this blog but start your own dedicated blog site free on “WORDPRESS” (which is this site’s platform) to pursue your own family history and discuss it publicly on your own site.
Also, this blog was started by me, and although I haven’t deleted any of your posts I am freely able to and you can’t “take action” ! (because I manage this, my site) – so this is another real reason why, for your own security over your own information, history, posting and controlling it, you should really start your own family history blog. You can then, if you wish, copy and paste your post strands from this blog to yours to start, and then I can delete your posts here, which are getting way off topic for this site.
Julie
By: Tasmaniana on January 10, 2018
at 7:52 pm
I don’t understand the offence..
U have to understand that a lot of our indigenous elders were stolen mate, my 3 black lines from tassi r., so ppl r asking u questions, since u did such a great job.
But I think I may opt out soon, if u keep being rude, as this is the 2nd 1 I seen harsh responses & that is 😔
By: Danni on January 25, 2018
at 7:32 pm
Hi Alinta – I found the family history you are trying to establish is also on this site : http://www.southcom.com.au/~pottermj/potter.htm
By: Tasmaniana on January 22, 2018
at 12:40 pm
Mary Ann Cochrane (Her mother was probably Tarenootairer,her father’s surname was probably Cochrane, he worked at Wybalenna – or possibly her father was coxswain James Parish. Mary Ann later lived with Walter George Arthur at Oyster Cove, They never had any children. I am not sure which Mary Ann Dwyer you are referring to. But you are focussing on the wrong Mary Ann if you think you are related to her, the Mary Ann who lived at Oyster Cove. See also: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/arthur-walter-george-12775
By: Tasmaniana on January 22, 2018
at 11:03 pm
Hi Alinta
Do you live in Tasmania ? The librarians in the State library Family History section, in Hobart or Launceston could assist you, or the Family History associations around the state.
Julie
By: Tasmaniana on January 22, 2018
at 11:09 pm
My heritage & ancestry don’t do aboriginal DNA yet, 4 some bazaar reason, waste of $ ..
I’m not Melanesian lol, also aboriginak ppl today of tas don’t know our names because they all stolen, given away, complete names changed, adopted..
But we r Tasmanian aboriginal from stolen gen
By: Danni on January 26, 2018
at 10:21 am
HI, I followed my ancestry line all the way back to John & Mary Scott from King Island. With lots of pictures and certificates right down to me. I received paper work from Canberra that I am a descendent of theirs. The aboriginals identify me as Indigenous. It’s only white people who used the derogative terms, 5th generation, I/16th, half cast, 1/4 cast etc.
Chz Liarne
By: Liarne Howarth on January 30, 2018
at 10:54 am
Hey alinta
I’m not offended, lol
I thought the admin to this page was hassling you 🙂
Take care x
By: Danni on January 31, 2018
at 3:40 pm
hello found a thomas hite born in ellington england 1808 his partner jane thorpe born 1818 no other details not sure if its the one i’m looking for perhap
thomas died in chippendale nsw in 1849 someone may know further.
By: Thomas Bensontom on February 5, 2018
at 10:46 am
thanks for the info alinta , there is a william hite samuel hite and a thomas hite.
thomas hite was either samuels brother or father its that thomas hite we are trying to fine do you know anything of this information also this thomas hite may have been a sealer also. thanks tom
By: Thomas Bensontom on February 7, 2018
at 10:47 am
There is no ABORIGINAL SECTION in Wynyard Cemetery.
By: Tasmaniana on February 7, 2018
at 3:21 pm
Hi Alinta
I seriously STRONGLY recommend you do an Ancestry DNA test to find which contemporary verified Tasmanian Aboriginal families you’re related to, or not, and verify and find your quantity of Aboriginal DNA, or not
– otherwise I fear you will , endlessly, uselessly keep mentioning historic Tasmanian Aboriginal people with no verified lines of descendants, or links to each other – which is wasting your time and energy clutching at straws.
Bite the bullet and walk the talk – don’t just keep talking it. Seriously.
doing an Ancestry DNA test will not only bring you closure but for all the people claiming they are Tasmanian Aboriginal from these lines eg: Moody, Hite, Ewington etc etc – it’s the best investment
With no paper trail proof – DNA is your only option to figure it out – if it is – where/who it was.
By: Tasmaniana on February 8, 2018
at 10:28 pm
Hi Alinta
I am 100% certain that ANCESTRY DNA (as with the other companies (Family Tree DNA, My Heritage, 23andMe, GEDMATCH, etc)) DOES show any Aboriginal DNA if you have any Aboriginal ancestors = family within the last 6-8 generations !!!
It is currently listed as the umbrella term: “Melanesian” within you results. This is both Aboriginal Australia/Tasmania, and Melanesian peoples.
I expect these will eventually will be be distinguished and labelled separately.
Aboriginal people arrived via Melanesia – New Guinea – etc, hence the SAME genetic origins.
If you don’t know who your grandfather is – then all the MORE reason to do a test and figure that out – he might be the, or another, Aboriginal line.
By: Tasmaniana on February 9, 2018
at 3:05 pm
Hi Alinta,
I wouldn’t recommend getting DNA until them dick companies can do Aust. Aboriginal DNA under them terms; I have written to both of them to tell them, WTH; when they can do African American, American Indian, Asian, Pacific Islanders etc.
They told me both Ancestry & My Heritage that they cant do it, which is ridiculous; being all our diffenent nations DNA is 99. something the same.
Alinta, would love to touch base with you girl 🙂
Dannielletownsend@outlook.com
Cheers Danni
By: Danni on February 14, 2018
at 6:06 pm
Hi sweety 🙂
Iam in financial hardship for the next few mths & am unable to fully accesss my fam tree on ancestry.
I would love to help & think I can, but I cant c much atm, lol.
However, please email me & I will do my best 🙂
As most of this draft list, is actually on my family tree 🙂 Due to the fact that 1 man stole 2-5 women, as well as respect to them..
I may not have where 2 of my lines come from back in the day, yet; but have a fair good idea & my 3rd line is confirmed, so all those ppl u keep talking about r on my tree.
I find it harder 2 communicate on here, (probably the operator) LOL
dannielletownsend@outlook.com
I have heaps of pics of our elders too, but cant give them 2 u on here x
By: Danni on February 16, 2018
at 12:03 am
hello came acros a thomas hyte in towamba nsw father was henry hyte back in the 1800 als in towamba george hite helena hite veronica hite and rose mary hite someone may have more info
By: Thomas Benson on April 24, 2018
at 11:06 pm
Hi and thanks so much Julie for publishing these lists here. My main interest is pre-colonials living on and visiting Kangaroo Island. Whalers and sealers being very mobile, this includes several of the people mentioned.
Right now I’m trying to find out about a man called Tom Clark and a possible brother Jim Clark, who were whalers for local companies based at Encounter Bay. Tom was the chief headsman and was reputed to have come from.Tasmania. He was said to have arrived in Australia in 1835 but obituaries etc don’t give details. I’ve found a Thomas Clarke leaving Tas for Port Fairy on the “Thistle”. but this is all I have of his possible life before he suddenly appeared in Encounter Bay as a very skilled whaler in 1844. I suspect he spent those years as a straitsman. If anyone has any records that might be him, I would be really grateful. You can leave a note on my blog http://ozforebears.blogspot.com.au I write up the people I research on WikiTree.com. You’ll find profiles of some of the people mentioned here, with sources.
By: Anne Tichborne on May 8, 2018
at 10:41 pm
Hi.
Does anyone have any information on John Simmonds / Simmons?
Regards Jody
By: Jody on May 10, 2018
at 6:04 pm
Hi Jody. If you do a search of this page, he is mentioned as a sealer employed by Kable. You could also do a search of the Tasmanian names index (google it) for more information about him. Good luck.
By: Anne Tichborne on May 10, 2018
at 6:50 pm
Hi Anne and Jody – I’m a descendant of Simmons and his wife Catherine Tobin (ex Cork, Ireland) – are you also ?
By: Tasmaniana on May 10, 2018
at 7:13 pm
I’m not a descendant. Maybe Jody is?
By: Anne Tichborne on May 10, 2018
at 8:49 pm
Hi guys. I’m trying to plug a gap in my family tree and John Simmonds maybe that person. I have a Mary Simmonds (possibly daughter of John) who had a child (Emily) with John Denney in 1843. Any info would be appreciated.
By: Jody on May 16, 2018
at 4:51 pm
They are in the TASMANIAN NAMES INDEX – Google that – on the LINC TASMANIA, TAHO website (Tasmanian Archives and Heritage Office)
By: Tasmaniana on May 17, 2018
at 8:06 am
Hi.
I’ve explored the web site extensively and have certainly found both names. Linking them has been more of a challenge though. Do you know any details of Mary?
Many thanks again for your assistance.
By: Jody on May 17, 2018
at 3:21 pm
hello i have to ask is thomas hite the father to william and ann or is samuel there father i wonder is there anyone who has the answer or maybe a full familytree.
By: Thomas Benson on May 14, 2018
at 11:21 pm
Hello Thomas Benson – If you really want to verify connection to my line take an Ancestry DNA test and if you match to me at all, we can then check via our shared matches if we match through the Briggs line, or another line, because I come from Dalrymple Briggs sister of Mary Briggs who you claim is your ancestor. Just do it and let’s get it sorted ! It’s a simple process and in 6 weeks you’ll know.
By: Tasmaniana on May 21, 2018
at 9:43 pm
hello alinta good to talk to you and your mum all is quite here got no news be in touch with you again soon. your mate tom
By: Thomas Benson on November 10, 2018
at 1:30 am
just a note about Thomas hite he is the father of william and Ann samuel and mary ann pendrill adopted william and ann maryannbriggs is there mother
By: Thomas Benson on May 21, 2018
at 9:24 pm
the note i put in on thomas hite its not mary ann briggs its mary margret briggs
By: Thomas Benson on May 21, 2018
at 10:48 pm
…. who you are claiming is the sister of Dalrymple Briggs ?
By: Tasmaniana on May 21, 2018
at 10:54 pm
i am not claiming any thing i am only saying what i was told its the info i got on thomas hite all i am doing is looking for an aboriginal link
By: Thomas Benson on May 21, 2018
at 11:10 pm
If you are descended from a Tasmanian Aboriginal Briggs and take an Ancestry DNA test you will match to other Briggs descendants – which seems a worthwhile thing to try.
By: Tasmaniana on May 21, 2018
at 11:31 pm
Hello alinta thank for the info on the dna they tell me we down dolly dalrymples side the hites but i don’t know where that connection could be and i think jackie lambie may have also said some thing about it do you have any idea where that connection could be or the other side i am told down manaleaprgennes side i don’t know where we fit in either unless there is some thing i don’t know are you down dollys side anyway its could haveing the contact with you. look forward to hearing from you.tom
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on May 31, 2018
at 10:58 pm
hello alinta if you get time give me a call on the phone 0364248104
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 1, 2018
at 9:35 pm
Thomas and Alinta if you want to see if you are related to Dalrymple Briggs descendants – or to any Aboriginal families – then I dare you to take an Ancestry DNA test -even anonymously (rather than wasting time talking about geneaology / family history rather than figuring it out with modern tools: DNA) – because you will be “shared match” with descendants if you are at all related / family ! – It’s as simple as that – and if you aren’t willing to take a test then you’re avoiding knowing the truth about your ancestry – which seems pretty weird because you are saying you want to know – but your inaction says otherwise – which Infact says a whole lot….
By: Tasmaniana on June 1, 2018
at 12:06 am
won’t be takeing no dna been there done that from mum i don’t think it will prove any thing further
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 1, 2018
at 12:22 am
Alinta, Thomas Benson and others looking for their forebears- an alternative suggestion is join WikiTree.com, which is free, and help put your ancestors on the big worldwide tree. Then the information will be accessible to everyone, at no cost. Also, it’s more accurate than ancestry.com because members have to quote sources for information. If something is not documented you have to say it’s not documented, it’s “family knowledge”. That way we eventually get to the facts, (or sometimes we have to accept that something is not known.)
WikiTree people are wonderfully helpful and encouraging. Some of your ancestors are already on there.
Palawa John Briggs https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Briggs-6206
Palawa William Lanne
Palawa Mannalargenna
Palawa Dalrymple “Dolly” Briggs
Palawa Poolrerrener https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Poolrerrener-1
Palawa Nathaniel Thomas Simpson
Palawa Fanny Cochrane Smith
Palawa Tanlebonyer
Palawa Hannah (Thomas) Simpson
Palawa Mary (Thomas) Seymour
Palawa Sam Thomas
Palawa Edward Tomlins
Palawa Truganini
Palawa Wapperty
Palawa Woretemoeteyenner
I put a couple of links there so you can look.
Why not add what you know to the big worldwide tree? If you decide to join, let me know by leaving a note here and I will help you get started. That’s a promise.
By: Anne Tichborne on June 1, 2018
at 11:21 am
Thanks for this suggestion – I think this can be really useful in connecting people, and hopefully lead to some distinct answers, rather than people stuck going around in circles.
By: Tasmaniana on June 1, 2018
at 3:28 pm
Hi Alinta. Glad to help. The first step is for you to go to https://WikiTree.com and sign up to be a member. It’s completely free. They’ll ask you to do a profile for yourself, and you can keep that completely private if you want. Then go to my profile at http://https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Turner-1584 , scroll down a bit and leave a message in the “Public Comment” box. That sends an email to me and then we can talk to each other through the WikiTree system. Cheers
Anne.
By: Anne Tichborne on June 4, 2018
at 9:40 pm
Hi Alinta. I’ve been doing WikiTree for seven years, and I haven’t come across any “catches” so far. You can call yourself “Anonymous” if you want to. They never ask for your address or credit card details. They just need an email address so they can send you messages. I’ve had lots of friendly messages from members who are interested in the same people I’m working on.
Thing is, if you don’t join up, you can’t work on your tree or add your relatives.
Have a think about it and if you decide to join, let me know.
By: Anne Tichborne on June 4, 2018
at 10:39 pm
hello alinta think you rang me today sorry i missed you i was out on my scooter do hope you are well will catch up with you very soon see ya mate. tom
By: Thomas Benson on July 15, 2018
at 9:55 pm
Not doing a DNA from ancestry or my heritage, when theres no aboriginal on it for we r not polynesian-pacific islanders…
Until they do australian aboriginal im not wasting my money either..
But I am STILL related as i have 3 great great tasmanian aboriginal grandmas, 3; all stolen..
1 line we know who & where from (nations)
I also as expected have brown skin rellies from there, including me; plus all our family pics of my elders.
However, tasmanians of aboriginal descent r ostrecised from their own without proof in a stolen time, no record keeping time, or no records at ALL time.
Alinta & Thomas stick to ur guns.. They r bullies down there.
Alls I can say is Thank God I was rescued & brought to Darwin as a child, grew up with real culture & acceptance of being aboriginal, by local mob.
Tasmanias the only state of recognised & unrecognised, decent aboriginal ppl do not go there, here on the mainland..
By: Danni on June 3, 2018
at 8:57 pm
hello thank you no dna this way it will give nothing and take you nowhere won’t proove anything good to hear from you keep in touch me and alinta had a good chat on the phone today. again thank you. tom
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 3, 2018
at 11:07 pm
Hi Alinta
One of my ancestral lines is from Woretemoeteyenner, daughter of Mannalargenna, and George Briggs, from their daughter Dalrymple Briggs, and her daughter Charlotte (m. Johnson), who lived in Latrobe, Tasmania.
Dalrymple’s Brother was John Briggs (c.1820 – c.1877) whose 2nd marriage was to Louisa Esme Strugnell (1st marriage was to her aunt).
Louisa Esme Strugnell was born 14 November 1836 – Preservation Island, Bass Strait.
Louisa died on 6 September 1925 at Cummeragunja Mission, New South Wales, Australia , age at death: 88 years old.
Louisa’s father was a sealer John Strugnell, and her mother was an Aboriginal woman from Port Nepean, Victoria, Polly Munro, and Polly herself was probably the daughter another sealer, James Munro, Polly’s mother was likely Doog-by-er-um-bor-oke (Margery Munro), a Woirorung woman kidnapped from Port Phillip.
Both Louisa and John Briggs’ ancestors WERE Aboriginal – from Victoria (Louisa) and Tasmania (John) – but neither Louisa nor John were related to Trucanini – who was from Recherche Bay, southern Tasmania, and from who no descendents were recorded in the 1800s.
John was descended from far north eastern Tasmanian Aboriginal family lines.
**Despite Banjo Clarke’s biography which mistakenly states he was descended from Turcanini, due to an error in Louisa Briggs (nee Strugnell) obituary in the newspaper in 1925 which claimed she was related to Trucanini, which has continued to circulate and confuse both descendants and the public.
See this inaccurate article:
TASMANIAN NATIVE.
Dies Aged 107 Years.
SYDNEY, Monday – Louisa Briggs, a
half-caste aborigine died at the Cummera-
junga Aborigine Station on September
8 at the great age of 107 years. Being
directly related to King John and Queen
Truganini she was one of the last of
the Tasmanians. She was a fine type of
half caste aborigine Her hair was snow
white. She had a constitution of iron
and was a very heavy smoker but did not
indulge in intoxicating liquor. She was a
prolific reader of good literature but still
she was a happy as a child when able to
peruse a comic paper She was in pos-
session of all her faculties till 19 months
ago and at odd short periods since.
From:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2137949
* Note that Louisa was born c.1836 and died in 1925 aged c.89 – not 107
By: Tasmaniana on June 1, 2018
at 9:16 pm
its all on mums side
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 1, 2018
at 11:30 pm
hello alinta how are you hope you are well here is my email tombens@bigpond.net.au talk with you soon
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 2, 2018
at 11:08 pm
hello alinta the piece on the briggs family above i did not write that you haave me mixed up with some one else but don’t worry its all good i left you my phone number on here and my email did you get that the dna test we had done was through mum she was annie hite it showed all from england i think that may be about true what happend after they arrived here is anybodys guess and i suppose we will never fine out there are a lot of people looking the same as us.talk with you again soon tom
By: Thomas Bensonomas benson on June 3, 2018
at 3:19 pm
My previous comment was for Tasmania’s stupid comment for Alinta & Thomas 🙂
By: Danni on June 3, 2018
at 8:59 pm
hello alinta do hope you are well pretty quiet on here talk with you soon. tom
By: Thomas Benson on June 28, 2018
at 9:30 pm
hello there alinta do hope you are okay all is good here no news to tell you we will talk again soon . tom
By: Thomas Benson on July 21, 2018
at 9:22 pm
by gee your line is getting better all the time thats really good wish my line would turn up some thing ore well keep up the good work. will be in touch again soon talk with you soon my friend. tom
By: Thomas Benson on August 1, 2018
at 9:22 pm
hello alinta really nice to hear from you sent jackie lambie an email but no reply will keep trying well perhaps i may appear some where down the line of one of them that would be exciting for both of us remember my mothers maiden name was hite annie it would be on her side if anything shows i do hope every thing all comes together for you i’ll be in excitement waiting to hear. all the best to you and all will be in touch again. tom
By: Thomas Benson on August 4, 2018
at 4:59 pm
hello hello again alinta do hope you and all are well all is good this way no news to tell you okay that is about it from this way talk with you soon tom
By: Thomas Benson on August 8, 2018
at 6:45 pm
hello Alinta how you going
By: Thomas Benson on November 10, 2018
at 12:58 pm
Hi Thomas Benson
Alinta has asked me to remove her posts – would you like me to remove yours also ?
Julie
By: Tasmaniana on December 21, 2018
at 3:00 pm
yeah remove my comments to theres nothing there that’s important as long as I can keep using it
By: Thomas Bensont on December 21, 2018
at 6:33 pm
(Note from website manager29 Nov. 2018)
Regarding the suggestion above that Fanny Cochrane Smith came from Mexico !!! ….:
This mistaken belief comes from a typo./ misreading and unfortunate mistyping of an original record held in the Tasmanian Archives and Heritage Office, Hobart.
I have a photo of this original document (microfilm) and also of the Mollison page copied from this paper:
(Mollison): “A Chronology of events affecting Tasmanian Aboriginal people since contact by whites. Page: Oct 12 1847” which someone typed incorrectly !
The document dated 8 March 1847 ends with a list of signatures or names of witnesses to an event.
This name list of signatories actually reads:
SK Davies (Coxswain)
Mr Collins Storekeeper
Thomas Beedon
John Lee
Richard Maynard
Lucy Beedon (her mark)
CE Jeanneret
Mathina
Fanny
Alexr (Alexander) Guild (NOT: Garaid or Gazaid !!)
**ALEXANDER GUILD IS NOT FANNY GAZAID !!
By: Tasmaniana on November 29, 2018
at 8:46 pm
Hi Lovely Alinta,
Thanks for that note on the TAC’s cover up..
My Uncle Leslie Roy Dick has been fighting them for a long time down there, he was at the Burnie Library with Bill Mollisons genealogy book, where he found our stolen grandmas name as being aboriginal, but the TAC staff went into the Burnie library & ripped the page out.
He also had a confirmation of aboriginality from an elder down there (outside of the TAC) Annette peardon asked to keep it there for awhile, then denied that they had it, he had to get a lawyer to get it back..
I am in Darwin trying to get a copy of the book to assist in our proof.
I would love to talk to you or Thomas on email or phone, or are you on Facey.
The TAC needs to be abolished, shut down; The TAC have paid for Annette Peardons wedding as they have 2 set of financials, 1 hidden; they all need mental health exams.
They refuse to allow my family to use their clinic.
With the stories I hear of them from Darwin, I would never be a member of thier org, they are disspicable; even if they wanted to accept me; I am very principaly driven & dont want to be related to any of them, they are a big shame job..
Take care
Danni
By: Danni Townsend on December 1, 2018
at 2:42 pm
hello Danni if you wish to talk with me my email is: tombens@bigpond.net.au talk with soon
By: Thomas Bensont on December 21, 2018
at 11:16 pm
Hi Danni
Not sure where you have got your information from but it is complete Untrue.The TAC did NOT pay for Annette Peardon’s wedding. She was married around 10 years before the TAC was founded. I am extended family of Annette’s and your statement related to this is extremely slanderous and legally defamatory.
If you have no proof of what you are saying about people then do not say it, especially in a public forum like this. I have forwarded this into members of her family and to the TAC. I also want to note that I am not always in support of what the TAC does but I know that the did not pay for any wedding of hers or anyone else for that matter.
Get your facts right before posting anything and mentioning peoples names, especially those not related to what this page is for.
Dyan Summers
By: Dyan Summers on January 5, 2023
at 11:24 pm
I am interested in any oral family history about Edwin Ernest BROWN, who married (on Cape Barron Island) the granddaughter of Richard MAYNARD. I am in touch with some relatives, and I DNA match with others. There appear to be a couple of people on here who might know more about Mr BROWN.
By: Julie on December 2, 2018
at 9:00 am
hello alinta fanny Cochrane smith Tasmanian aboriginal recorded her language on record
By: Thomas Bensont on December 12, 2018
at 1:14 am
Alinta:
It would be nice if you wrote facts into this word press instead of just comments about your self,
When I wrote about Ned Tomlins and how he ended up in NZ and married a Maori woman and had a family, you wrote that I was wrong and that no Aboriginals from Tasmania ended up in NZ.
This was my Family you were talking about which we do have a very good family tree documented.
I would like to remind you a lot of people interested in this article get emails automatically sent to them when someone writes, yours also.
It feels that you have Hijacked this word press from the original owner and write about your self, making this harder to read for others,
The WordPress is becoming long-winded and starting to get boring.
The people really need facts and dates and definitely do not want to hear about people being accused as a liar, which in your case, you could be liable for a defamation case against you, Namely, you have publicly called someone a liar.
Defamation in writing is called libel.
it can also be very expensive so I would suggest that you refrain from calling people names or at least better to just ignore what they said, as some of us do for you.
it may be even better for you to readjust what you said in writing and in public.
I am not sure if you can edit your comments, or delete them. but I suggest you do something.
By: Jeffrey L on December 13, 2018
at 11:15 pm
Hi Jeffrey
“Alinta” has just contacted me to have all her comments removed from the blog – which will tidy it up considerably.
It was becoming fascinatingly fantastical. But now back to verifiable (or even plausible) history. Onwards.
By: Tasmaniana on December 21, 2018
at 2:57 pm
Hi Jeffrey
Thank you for your post. I have just responded to an old post replying to Alina about a family member of mine that is completely untrue. The family member is still living. There are so many lies told on this page. It is no beginning to become a hate page for particular Aboriginal Orgs.
If there are concerns with these Organisations then contact them directly, don’t post on pages not related tho them. This is supposed to be about connecting people and finding family links. Anyway I applaud you for calling Alina out in her misinformation, something that she often posts.
Dyan Summers
By: Dyan Summers on January 5, 2023
at 11:32 pm
Oh!
Just one thing to the original WordPress editor,
Thank you so much for the interesting information, I found your editorial excellent and very informative
Regards
Jeffrey L
By: Jeffrey L on December 13, 2018
at 11:20 pm
Just for the record Fanni is not related to Truganinni.
By: Dyan Summers on December 18, 2018
at 4:01 pm
Can anyone help me with information on John Williams aka Black Jack, an African man?
By: John Ogden on April 14, 2019
at 9:53 pm
Hi John, Cassandra Pybus, Black Founders, Williams, John aka ‘Black Jack’ referred to on pages 64, 89, 93, 120, 146, 185, 187; prosecution and sentence 3, 49, 92, 119, 146; on the Scarborough, 75, ; as seaman 89, 146; secondary sentences in NSW 92, 119, 146.
Pybus say he was given a conditional pardon in 1804, left Sydney on a sealing ship in 1805, became a sealer on Kangaroo Island and the Bass Strait. Lived with several Aboriginal women who he kept as slaves. “… seems to have fathered no children.” Drowned in 1830 p. 187). Was under the impression that you had the Pybus book. Books on the history of Kangaroo Island and Bass Strait might have some info. Regards, Jane
By: Jane Morrison on October 16, 2020
at 3:40 pm
Is this thread still active? I am researching a book on a Sydney born Afro-American man and am seeking clarification on one of the Black Jack sealers that lived and worked in the Bass Strait/Flinders Island/ south-western WA area.
By: John Ogden on May 21, 2019
at 9:54 am
Hi John Ogden Would that be “Black Jack
Randall” son of John Randall? The latter came as a convict with the first fleet. His son became a whaler.
Among the whalers and sealers, anyone with skin darker than English skin could be called ‘Black’ or ‘Abyssinian’. Thus we have ‘Abyssinian Jack’ of unknown origin and “Black Ned Tomlinson”, an Aboriginal man.
Be aware that whalers and sealers frequently used more than one name, which could be misheard or written down phonetically. Also be aware that their doings were reported by word of mouth. Some events have been reported as happening in different places, or done by different people.
Cheers and good luckwith your book.
By: Anne Tichborne on May 21, 2019
at 11:16 am
It’s actually John ‘Black Jack’ Williams (c.1769-1830) that I’m researching. The early part of his life has been well researched by Cassandra Pybus, but after he goes sealing his story becomes very confused. Black Jack was a generic term for black seamen, and somehow an English man, ‘Abyssinan Jack’ (aka John Anderson, frequently gets mixed up with others. I have some more information I can share if you email me at oggy@oggy.com.au
The only child I have heard about is John ‘Jumppin Jack’ Williams (1838-1932) from the Oyster Bay Aboriginal community, but I’m certain there are others.
By: cyclops2015 on May 21, 2019
at 3:58 pm
Hallo, I was interested to read about John Randall junior as I am a descendant of John Randall. Do you have any information on the younger Randall?
Thank you
By: Aileen on June 6, 2020
at 7:41 pm
Hi Aileen, my research focused mainly on the father so can’t add much more. Do you know how many descendants of John Randall there are?
By: cyclops2015 on June 7, 2020
at 8:07 am
Thank you for getting back, john Randall is my 4xgrandfather through his daughter Frances and her daughter Esther Aiken who married Moses Fonseca, glad to exchange info.;
Cheers Aileen
By: Aileen on June 7, 2020
at 5:52 pm
Thanks for getting back to me. I am based in Sydney and am working on the final edit of a book exploring Australian connections with the transatlantic slave trade. I can email you the relevant chapter on John Randall if you like. email: oggy@oggy.com.au
By: cyclops2015 on June 8, 2020
at 7:51 am
John ‘Black Jack’ Williams was not born in Sydney, but he is important to the story.
By: cyclops2015 on May 21, 2019
at 3:59 pm
I have also mentioned John Randall in the book and knew that one of his sons went to work on ships, so am interested to know more about what happened to him too.
By: cyclops2015 on May 21, 2019
at 4:01 pm
hello alinta could you give me a ring 64248104 lost your phone number
By: Thomas Benson on June 19, 2019
at 10:57 pm
hello alint do hope you and your mum are well lost your phone number hope to talk with you soon tom
By: tom on September 1, 2019
at 8:08 pm
hi i am wondering if anyone knows who tanlebonyer’s parents are and also who bullrub’s parents are – mother of poolrerrenner thanks
By: private user on September 2, 2019
at 1:57 am
hi i am looking for also king tippo’s father’s parents -aboriginal terpolle , wife was mirnermannerme sister of tekartee, tanlebonyer, – the parents of tanlebonyer from swanport in tasmania , king tippo was born at kangaroo point in 1812- died in 1860 hobart had a sister and a brother .
also looking for the mother of poolrerrenner born in 1806- died in 1845 had 8 children who happen’s to be 1 of my many decsendants the children were edward tomlin, megobunner, puekerterponner, fanny, bullrer, adam, another child, and mary ann.- connection also to the tomlins family not sure where they came from though- poolrerrenner’s brother was edward tomlins .if anyone has info would be much appreciated.
and am looking for bullrub’s parents mother and father also the wadeye aboriginal from darwin and who they are related to and their descendants please and thankyou.
private user.
By: private user on September 4, 2019
at 1:11 pm
Hello anyone know have any info on the McCulloch family from tasmania James and Rosanna arrive in tasmania 1855. thank you
By: tom on September 11, 2019
at 12:22 am
Greetings all. I have long followed this blog but have refrained from commenting until I had all my records straight. I am coauthor of a book THE STRAITSFOLK – JOHN SCOTT, DAVID HOWIE AND THEIR ABORIGINAL DEPENDENTS that will hopefully be published next year. Working from primary sources while carefully assessing layer writings we hope to untangle the rather knotted mixture of fact and fiction that has bedeviled modern writers on the subject. The primary subjects will be John Scott, his three known Tasmanian aboriginal wives Maria, Mary and Georgia (“The Ranger”) and their eight or nine known children, David Howie, his European wives Mary Bogue and Jane Wilson and their families and children; and two mainland aboriginal women who came under Howie’s protection, “Black Mog” and Margery Munro(e) and their own families. I’ll post on each of these individually over time and look forward to a vigorous correspondence, especially apparent errors. Be warned that I will be giving some fairly critical reassessment of well-respected sources, particularly Mollison who reports much inaccurate “oral history” gathered from diverse unreliable sources. The works of Plomley based on G A Robinson will also be shown to be of little use for most of this group of individuals (Margery Munro being a notable exception) because Robinson never came into actual contact with any of them.
By: Graeme Broxam on December 2, 2019
at 11:35 pm
Hi Graham, has the book been published yet I would like to get a copy; I need facts on Poolrerrener, which I am sure you would have, as with Edward Tomlins (Black Ned), I am able to say I have his family tree right down until today. And Edwards unsavoury history when he went to NZ to live with the Maori
I would like info on Poolrerrener and Edwards’s sister Bulrub, even though I noted scrolling up from some info on Poolrerrener which is incorrect and as you say…………..
By: Jeffrey L on January 6, 2023
at 7:12 am
JOHN SCOTT.
According to a letter written by his granddaughter Mary Ann Smith in 1908, John Scott was a Scotsman born in Edinburgh.
The sealer John Scott first appears in the historical record in a SYDNEY GAZETTE permission to depart advertisement, outward bound from Sydney to Bass Strait on board the schooner JOHN on 10 November 1805. This corresponds with a comment in his diary of 12 February 1841 when he notes the hottest day he had known in 35 summers in the colonies.
Scott IS NOT a former convict – the fates of all convicts of that name in NSW before 1805 are otherwise known. Nor can be be a runaway former naval seaman as likewise claimed decades later by someone who never met him: when he met Dumont D’Urville at Westernport in 1826 Scott was able to show him his official papers, presumably clearances, that could not have existed for a Royal Navy absconder.
It is our belief that he arrived in NSW during the course of 1805 on one of three British sealers working in Bass Strait: the COMMERCE, HONDURAS PACKET or CERES. For reasons discussed at length in the manuscript we believe it was most likely the CERES, and Scott could possibly have been the sole survivor from a sealing party left by that ship at Swan Island around April 1805, the rest being presumably drowned when their whaleboat disappeared.
Scott continued to visit Sydney in between periods in Bass Strait until disappearing from note after 1814, and was presumably by then a permanent resident of The Straits. He appears to have become one of the early sealers who became friendly with the natives of the Ringarooma-Georges Bay district, and acquired an aboriginal wife from them by mutual agreement in much the same way that George Briggs gained his first aboriginal wife “Pung” from Mannarlargenna well before 1815. In 1824 Scott was still hunting with the tribe on the far NE coast, which was at a time when the same tribesmen were killing other sealers who had kidnapped or tried to kidnap their women, and strongly suggests that Scott did not obtain his women from them by force. It is assumed that this woman was the one first mentioned by name as Meryer/Maria in Scott’s diary late in 1836. Two or three of their daughters were found homes in VDL around 1826, presumably to prevent them from being “sequestered” by other sealers. This fate appears to have later befallen their youngest daughter Jane.
Possibly having been driven away from the Bass Strait Islands by rising crime in the mid-1820s, Scott led a party of sealers to Westernport where he established a small community in 1826-27. After leaving Westernport for the last time bedfore 1830 Scott settled permanently on the NW coast of King Island. Around this time he acquired two younger Tasmanian aboriginal women known in later years as Mary and Georgia. Georgia soon ran off into the bush and lived a solitary life on King Island until after Scott’s death in 1843. Mary on the other hand had five children with Scott, the two youngest dying in infancy, son Thomas dying by drowning in 1848, but the other two daughters marrying and leaving many descendants.
Scott kept a diary from 1836 until shortly before his death in 1843. It appears to have been recorded on loose sheets of paper, and were taken by his surviving daughters to Port Phillip after his death. It was transcribed into a bound notebook by their benefactor Ann Drysdale and it is this copy that survives now held by the State Library of Tasmania. It it much valuable information on Scott and his family is preserved, especially the love he felt for his children and the effort he took to give them a rudimentary education. His grief at the death of his youngest son John is particularly touching. Scott’s s spelling is idiosyncratic, to say the least.
Scott was drowned along with his infant daughter when their boat capsized after visiting the distressed barque REBECCA under New Years Island on 28 September 1843. His reason for going out to the vessel, according to Drysdale, was not to help the ship’s crew from preventing their vessel from going aground, which she did a few hours later, but to get more paper for his diary and to teach his children! His body was recovered and buried nearby.
For anyone who is interested I am happy to discuss any of the details mentioned above with the contemporary references supporting them.
By: Graeme Broxam on December 3, 2019
at 12:43 am
Hi Graeme,
Very much looking forward to reading your book – Please keep me posted. I researched a fair bit on Scott’s diary and his descendants a few years ago as I assisted an old lady in WA who was a descendant of Mary Ann Scott down through the Smith line to work out her family tree.
By: Peter Bakker on December 17, 2019
at 12:34 pm
alinta here i am leaving a message for thomas benson about and in regards to thomas hite who married into my grandfather’s family in eden towoomba thomas hite married married w meaker a very fine colonist burried in the eden towoomba cemetery the name of the website is towoomba history , there you will find she had 15 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren.
from alinta it is to do with the eden whaling family in sydney .
By: alinta taylor on February 29, 2020
at 7:19 pm
i alinta am leaving a message for thomas benson , to say about thomas hite he married w meaker in twoomba eden sydney and she had 15 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren , the couple had 5 children .
but it is to do with the eden whaling family eden , so i thought you may find this link helpful twoomba history name of site.
from alinta
By: alinta taylor on February 29, 2020
at 7:47 pm
hi i have had dna tests done and m biological genealogy to do with my family tree and ancestry , and thankgod i have who my grandfather is aboriginal jim mcnee davidson to do with the eden whaling family that is my grandfather’s family.
the 2nd dna test is the descendants the trawlwoolway briggs family portland tasmania., the mansells and maynards, then my 2nd lot of descendants are fanny cochrane and her family then the nichols and tatnell family on my great grandfather’s side who are the descendants of fanny cochrane the ancestors of fanny cochrane are the cockerills and mary ann bugg who was mary cockerill later married thunderbolt and 15 children followed lived for a time at new norfolk in tasmania, then the pross family at bruny island that connects and ties in with the kulin nation victoria, fanny cochrane and truganini bloodlines, cate pross, matthew pross, christine walsh, peter shine, eliza pross and david pross. then the daughter of john briggs and truganini louisa briggs / known as granny louisa briggs.
then the tomlins family., also the aboriginal dwyer and clifford family in hobart on my grandmother’s side and my dad’s side also., the yost family from portland tasmania – part of the trawlwoolway.
the kangaroo island people, (where my name comes from) and my aboriginal language also, the cape barren island community and the bass strait island community.
and finally my native and tribal ancestors
truganini and her family
By: alinta taylor on February 29, 2020
at 10:10 pm
Hi Alinta, I am reading these comments and you mention the Nichols name. I am a NIchols through my Mum’s side. My Mum was told of being Aboriginal and started looking not long before she died (1986), I was 12 at the time. I am tryin to research my tree and have hit a brick wall with my great grandparents with my GGF being Nichols. My GGM is a Townsend. I was wondering if you may have any information regarding this family that may help, please? I understand they may or may not be the same family but would appreciate any help even if it rules them out. That is still more info than I currently have.
Thank you for reading my message.
Regards
Michelle Nichols
michellecook135@gmail.com
By: Michelle Nichols on January 27, 2021
at 11:59 am
i alinta also go back to the everett family
By: alinta taylor on March 1, 2020
at 11:11 am
also i alinta come from tebrikunna and the yost family does also they lived a native life which came up in my dna test , attended the goulds country union church tasmania, and all the yost family were born at cape portland tasmania
from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on March 1, 2020
at 11:30 am
which the yost family are on my great great grandmother’s side russell wallace clifford’s mother ada mary clifford
and then her father william henry westerway also married caroline yost mother of ada mary clifford.
By: alinta taylor on March 1, 2020
at 11:33 am
hi i have had my dna test done and i match with the maynards , mansells, another descendant is patsy cameron .the greeno family., also there are other descendants including fanny cochrane, 1st line was traced the 2nd line traced the briggs family including a louisa briggs who was truganini’s daughter born at bruny island, father was john briggs known as granny louisa the clarke family banjo clarke granny louisa was his grandmother somewhere along the line as he states . / tebrikunna and trawlwoolway. and the yost family which were born in portland in tasmania.
the 3rd lines traced were maternal and paternal true aboriginal heritage my tribal ancestors truganini and family, the pross family on bruny island ., then other descendants included are the cape barren island people, the bass strait island people and the kangaroo island people , which is where my name comes from and my language ,
then the aboriginal clifford’s from the channel south of hobart , my great great aunts and uncles .
then danielle townsend / tatnell/ nichols families who are the descendants of fanny cochrane
from private user
plus the cockerills and mary ann bugg
By: private user on March 5, 2020
at 2:38 pm
Hi, apologies for using the same message to another.
I am reading these comments and you mention the Nichols name. I am a NIchols through my Mum’s side. My Mum was told of being Aboriginal and started looking not long before she died (1986), I was 12 at the time. I am tryin to research my tree and have hit a brick wall with my great grandparents with my GGF being Nichols. My GGM is a Townsend. I was wondering if you may have any information regarding this family that may help, please? I understand they may or may not be the same family but would appreciate any help even if it rules them out. That is still more info than I currently have.
Thank you for reading my message.
Regards
Michelle Nichols
michellecook135@gmail.com
By: Michelle Nichols on January 27, 2021
at 12:01 pm
hello alinta it is tom hope you and you mum are okay give me a tingle on the phone
By: Thomas Benson on May 21, 2020
at 4:04 pm
alinta hope you and mum are good
By: Thomas Benson on May 30, 2020
at 4:28 pm
hello thomas benson alinta here yes we are good here , also i hope danny is well to , my paper trail dna has been done most of my relatives mannalargenna my 8th times great grandfather, fanny cochrane smith my 4 times great aunty
and my many other relatives from tebrikunna and my grandfather’s family are from eden new south wales / whaling family. as well as cape portland , the briggs family.- the dwyer family bruny island.
my other descendants are the cape barren island community, kangaroo island people , and the bass strait island community done on a different family website
from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on September 8, 2020
at 3:20 pm
hello alinta been a long time hope we can stay in touch all is good here with me say hello to mum talk again soon
By: thomas benson on September 8, 2020
at 3:56 pm
hello alinta
By: Thomas Benson on May 8, 2021
at 11:49 pm
Hi Graeme. I was interested to read of your new book and info on the King Island connection. The island stories are fascinating – particularly those which are connected to other Straits dwellers who have not been so prominent. Has your book been released yet?
By: Pat Grey on September 8, 2020
at 6:42 pm
No, book still in progress, hopefully for later next year. I must admit that I had forgotten all about this first post and will start adding the Scott women shortly.
By: Graeme Broxam on September 10, 2020
at 11:32 am
MARIA SCOTT
The contemporary accounts of Bass Strait up to 1830 all suggest that John Scott had a single aboriginal woman and several children. In 1826 he is specifically stated as having one woman and three children. He was a very mobile operator with his own boat and ranged all around the Straits: Furneaux Group, King Island, the far NE coast of Tasmania, Westernport, and most likely elsewhere, probably accompanied much of the time by his family. The fact that he remained friendly with the NE Coast aboriginal folk into the late 1820s suggests that his woman was one of their people. Scotts daughters born before 1830, with this single woman probably being the mother of all, were:
-Sarah (born King Island 1819),
-Rebecca (born 1821),
-Jane (birth date uncertain but probably c1823)
-and probably Esther (born about 1817),
all of whom I will write more on later.
It is important to note that the name of Scott’s first aboriginal wife is never mentioned in any early records and was certainly unknown to GA Robinson, who never met Scott. The first time Maria is mentioned by name is in Scott’s Diary in 1836, as an old woman then living with Scott and his other woman Mary who was the mother of the children then living with them. There is actually no PROOF that Maria is Scott’s first wife and the mother of his first three or four daughters: this has always been accepted as fact, but is in fact speculation.
Maria continued to live with John Scott, as well as hunting independently around the island, until Scott was drowned in 1843. She and Mary were very quickly reconciled with Georgia “The Ranger” and the three women were to remain together until at least 1852. For much of that period they were effectively in the employ of David Howie as hunters collecting wallaby skins. Mary appears to have died sometime in 1852-54 while Georgia died from alcoholic poisoning following the wreck of the schooner WATERWITCH in September 1854. When the survivors of the WATERWITCH and another ship lost earlier in 1854 the BRAHMAN were rescued, Maria begged not to be left on the island alone (her erstwhile employer David Howie had not been seen on the island for about two years) and she was taken to Melbourne, with her hunting dogs, on board the steamer MANCHESTER. She and dogs were housed on a coal hulk belonging to the steamer’s owners for a considerable period of time: there’s an interesting account by a Captain Alexander Longmuir who met her there.
David Howie having learned of her rescue, he offered to take her back to his farm at Robbins Island, where it would appear she lived happily hunting with her dogs (she was the only person on the island Howie would trust with them) until he accidentally drowned on 7 May 1859. In 1856 Howie’s father in law William Wilson had managed to get an allowance of 1/- per day from the Tasmanian Government to support Maria and another aboriginal family at Robbins Island: Margery Munro, her daughter Polly and two granddaughters. Margery’s son Robert Munro had been able to fend for himself, but having fallen out with Howie and his family, late in August 1859 he procured a whaleboat and took the aboriginal women and children from Robbins Island to the Furneaux Group.
Old Maria spent most of the rest of her life in destitution at Tin Kettle Island, living on the charity of John Smith. In June 1863 Archdeacon Thomas Reiby found her there and was able to get her pension reinstated. He organised for the money to be spent on supplies for her needs to be sent to her, but it is unclear how much actually reached her before she died there in 1866.
Old Maria was buried on Green Island. It is alleged that her remains were acquired by the Tasmanian Chief Medical Officer John Smith Purdy about 1911 and probably ended up in the notorious collection of Professor Richard Berry of the Melbourne University.
I have discussed Maria with a number of researchers including Cassandra Pybus over the years, and we all agree that much that has been written about her in the past has been speculative, and largely based on the fact that the existence of Mary, the ultimate ancestor of many of Scott’s living descendants, remained unknown till well after Mollison’s mostly incorrect biographies of them were published. He obviously did his best with the material at hand, but we now have so much more documentary evidence. Both in 1854 and in 1863 Maria herself said she had lived on King Island for thirty years, which would place her arrival there about 1824. We know at least one of Scott’s daughters was born there in 1819. Was “thirty years” just an approximation, or does it indicate that there was another unrecorded aboriginal woman Scott was then cohabiting with? Secondly, when Maria was rescued in 1854, she said that “all of her children were dead” whereas at least one daughter of Scott’s first aboriginal woman was then living. The jury must remain out, but on the balance of probabilities I do believe it likely that “Old Maria” was Scott’s first and only Tasmanian aboriginal wife up to the late 1820s, and that she was the mother of his his first three of four children.
Again, happy to discuss the above with the original references in support of the conclusions.
By: Graeme Broxam on September 10, 2020
at 2:41 pm
also my other paper trail dna has approved who my (biological) ancestors are truganini , her husbands, william lanney, wooreddy, john briggs, and her fiance parraweena
By: alinta taylor on September 13, 2020
at 8:03 pm
and also my other paper trail dna has approved my other parts of my aboriginality , my (biological) my cousins / the mansell’s and maynards , and the other dna is nancy thomas and the rest of the thomas family my 3 times great aunty’s and uncles, my cousins danni townsend, east darwin arnhem land the waddeye aboriginal my 4th 5th, and 6th times great grandparents people , leslie roy dick my 2nd cousin and top end of darwin , then my ancestors truganini and her family , husbands , william lanney, parraweena fiance, john briggs, wooraddy, .
other dna approved
louisa briggs- daughter of truganini./ the clarke family, parents of truganini father manganna mother pagerly
sister to pagerly nelson
parents to pagerly and nelson mother was sophia dray / drayduric born 1800 from port davey district tasmania, father edmund / from another aboriginal group.
and my name comes from kangaroo island.
and on my great great grandfather’s side russell wallace clifford , his mother on her side the yost family from portland, mary ann tatnell was ada mary westaway’s great grandmother mary ann tatnell had 2 son’s father of ada mary was william henry westaway.
then pleenperrenna had a daughter jane born in 1823 with my 1st times great uncle who was a sealer john smith born 1794- died in launceston in 1850 given on the baptism record , jane smith had a son with thomas richard tatnell,
son of jane smith was charles thomas tatnell , who married ann white .
and the parents of mannalargenna born 1770- died in 1835,
mother was tearlerwelurgonner father was lemana bunganna.
2 sons.
from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on September 13, 2020
at 8:42 pm
also my other dna relatives , are the thomas family, mansell’s, maynards, dannielle townsend, the east end waddeye aboriginal people east end darwin, pleenperrenna , the yost family, the westerway’s , (NOT EUROPEAN ), the hodge family,
including all the names i have mentioned including that of mannalargenna’s parents his mother tearlerwelurgonner, father lemana bunganna, my 9nth times great grandparents,
including the aboriginality on my mother’s side the fazackerley’s born here i tasmania
all these names on here have been proven in my dna
thankyou.
By: alinta taylor on September 13, 2020
at 9:54 pm
THAT IS SO GREAT ALINTA. I am a descendant of William Hite. Do you suggest I get DNA testing to find out about our Aboriginality?
By: Maxine Wolf on October 6, 2020
at 8:47 pm
Anyone who is keen to discover their family history, regardless of their ethnicity, should get their DNA tested, as long as you realise, remember, recognise etc., that it does *not* prove your ancestors… it only proves you have “ancestors in common” with another (currently or recently alive) person.
In many populations, (New Zealand Maori, Australian Aboriginal are examples) the *tribal* inter-marriages over many hundreds of years (which occurs in small non-diverse populations) will never eliminate, nor prove the ancestral trail.
In *all* cases DNA is only half-way to reliable when supported by documentation, fully researched and/or supported by each and every DNA Match… Some sites like myheritage and ancestry interfere in this process, by *suggesting* false family trees.
By all means do your DNA, but don’t read into the results only what you want to see.
By: Julie Collins on October 7, 2020
at 7:42 am
hello maxine wolf, thankyou for your message in relation to william hite , one of my 8th times great grandfather mannalargenna’s grandaughters mary margaret briggs married thomas hite , so if you wanto have a dna test AS MINE HAS BEEN DONE ON A WEBSITE AND I HAVE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE IT.
but my dna on my father’s side and grandfathers side
but another person you can speak to thomas benson as he is also related to the hites and is a cousin of mine
thankyou from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 12, 2020
at 10:47 pm
and also maxine wolf , our aboriginality comes from my 8th times great grandfather mannalargenna
how are you a descendant of william hite on your mum’s or on your dad’s side because our family does not lie and our dna is not false .
thankyou from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 12, 2020
at 10:54 pm
My great grandmother on my mother’s side was Laura Allford née hite and her father was William hite
By: Maxie on October 14, 2020
at 2:21 pm
also maxine thomas and i alinta are related to you also
thankyou from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 15, 2020
at 9:42 am
hello maxie alinta here, are you related to clifford lindon wolfe
from alinta.
please and thankyou.
By: alinta taylor on December 10, 2020
at 4:15 pm
hello maxie alinta here , it is very interesting because thomas benson sent out some sheets in the mail to do with the hites
from alinta
By: alinta taylor on October 14, 2020
at 9:57 pm
hello maxie alinta here , i have some sheets of some of our relatives
thankyou from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 15, 2020
at 9:31 am
hi maxie alinta here yes maxie me and thomas are related to you.
By: alinta taylor on October 15, 2020
at 8:28 pm
Hi alinta thank you for confirmation kind regards maxine
By: Maxie on October 16, 2020
at 2:04 am
Hi Alinta
Was Thomas hite a sealer who came to Tasmania? Did Thomas and Mary Margaret Briggs have two children (William and Ann)?
Was Samuel hite Thomas hite brother or father?
How did Samuel hite come to raise William and Ann?
What happened to Thomas after Mary Margaret Briggs died? Did he return to nsw?
Hoping you can shed some light on these questions
By: Maxie on October 16, 2020
at 2:56 am
hi maxie thankyou for asking these very important questions 1st – yes thomas hite was a sealer who came here to tassie. 2nd- yes thomas and mary margaret briggs had 2 children , 3rd – samuel hite and thomas hite were brothers, but their father was william hite.
4th- william hite your descendant got with mary ann pendrill and had 2 children william and ann as william reared william like his son and took him on as his own .
5th- then ann hite married a william aylett .
6th- thomas hite was from new south wales to begin with .
but not sure of when mary margaret briggs died when she was aged 22 years old.
so i hope all this helps
from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 16, 2020
at 10:10 am
As a descendant of Dalrymple Briggs (sister to Mary Briggs AKA Margaret) I feel the need (on the record) to state here that of the known 4 children to survive to adulthood of Woretemoeteyenner and George Briggs (Dalrymple Briggs, John Briggs, Mary/Margaret Briggs, Eliza Briggs) that only Dalrymple and John had children – and descendants undisputed as Aboriginal to the present day.
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This is the position of all descendants of Dalrymple Briggs (to my knowledge to date).
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TAHO (Tasmanian Archives and Record Office, Hobart – 2nd floor, State Library of Tasmania) have also exhaustively searched to assist Hites to check their claims to a Tasmanian Aboriginal lineage, and found there is no evidence or even suggestion towards the validity of this claim.
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TAHO can provide this search outline to HITE descendants, as they have done when requested – eg: that rejected Jacqui Lambie’s (HITE) Tasmanian Aboriginality claim, via any document trail.
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There also seems NO logically feasible / evident relationship resulting in children historically between Hites-Pendrills and Tasmanian Aboriginal people (Briggs lineage or others) that created this (all?) HITE family belief.
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I really wish it would be resolved/clarified soon.
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Are there any HITE descendants with other views or theories or documents etc able to shed some light here? Eg: Could other non anglo ancestry be the basis of this belief ?
Thanks.
By: Tasmaniana on October 16, 2020
at 10:47 am
Thank you alinta
By: Maxie on October 16, 2020
at 11:32 am
Thank you very much for your responses Alinta
By: Maxie on October 16, 2020
at 6:14 pm
hi maxie alinta here you asked if a native person is indigenous born in tasmania , yes they are indigenous who were born in tasmania as i have had another dna test done
it proves that the hites were born in blackmoore tasmania, ellenvale and devonport
if you go on the archives website in the names index section type the name hite in birth records , death records
so with the other dna test i have had and has been clarified , that john hite was a very dark skinned (aboriginal) also there is another website you can go on the internet to do with william hite it is called the alison heathorn website and on there you can printout the ancestry chart and the descendancy chart off that website .
also john hite was the father of annie hite (aboriginal), then 4 children are thomas, margaret, gale -brother, peter brother
i hope you find this information helpful
from your 3rd cousin alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 16, 2020
at 8:29 pm
Hey Alinta, I’m not sure if you still read messages here but I’ll take a wild shot.
I am a descendent of Sameul Hite (The one born in NSW) and would like to inquire about the family history and in-particular how he connects to the Hites that were based in Tasmania?
Any help would be much appricated.
Kind regards,
From your distant cousin, Matthew.
By: Matthew Ro on January 5, 2023
at 3:59 pm
See also re: HITE :
By: Tasmaniana on October 16, 2020
at 10:59 pm
hi i alinta am leaving a message for maxie wolfe , to say that my cousin’s 2x great great grandfather is william hite , then john hite (aboriginal) was william hites father, annie hite / the daughter of john hite, then william was the father of 2 son’s thomas hite was born and from new south wales , and samuel hite was thomas hite’s brother .
as last night thomas benson rang me last night and said that he was not sure where the wolfe side comes into our family , but as you are related to william hite , yes we are related
so i would to ask you these questions was your mum a hite? and was your dad a wolfe?
as i would like to help you more wiv this more , but thomas benson’s mother was annie hite, daughter of john hite (aboriginal), / his father william hite / 2 son’s thomas and samuel hite brothers .
then there is selina harriet hawley / who = married a john henry allford , the allford family comes from cape barren island .
then ann hite = married william aylett.
then samuel hite’s mother was = mary ann pendrill (aboriginal)
so maxie would love to help you all the more wiv this side of things
from alinta.
By: alinta taylor on October 26, 2020
at 10:41 am
Hi Alinta
Can you please provide me with the information related the the Allford family being from Cape Barren Island. Thank you. Dyan Summers
By: Dyan Summers, Flinders Island, on October 28, 2020
at 3:47 pm
Alina
As my family are from Cape Barren I would like to know more about the Alford family and their bloodlines.
Dyan Summers
By: Dyan Summers, Flinders Island. on October 29, 2020
at 5:25 pm
I’m researching Mary Ann Thompson, daughter of Wottecowidyer (Wotty). Wotty being the daughter of Mannalargenna.
Can anyone help ?
By: Jeni Mac on December 15, 2020
at 11:08 pm
hello jeni mac
with my bloodline relative wottecowidyer , she was also known as harriet and had several half caste children by different fathers , my 8th times great grandfather mannalargenna was her father
THIS HAS BEEN PROOVEN IN MY DNA
thanks
By: private user on December 26, 2020
at 1:38 pm
Hi Private User
Are you a descendant of Mary Ann Thompson, daughter of Harriet (Wottecowidyer) ? Did you do your DNA through one of the DNA Websites like Ancestry or MyHeritage ?
Jeni
By: Jeni Mac on December 29, 2020
at 10:28 pm
hello jeni mac with wottecowidyer my dna has proven that she is my bloodline biological cousin , as her father mannalargenna is my 8th times great grandfather .
mary ann thompson could be to somebody else not to wottecowidyer as stated above she had several half caste children to different fathers and she had some children to another bloodline relative a maynard / found on the wikitree website
just type in wottecowidyer’s name in and it will say her children and a husband but her birth mother was nicerum powerter born in 1873 aboriginal lady from ben lomond first wife who mannalargenna had children to including another son on telling places in country university website on google
but i will have a look at some of the papers that i have got and see who mary ann thompson belongs to so i hope all this helps
thankyou for getting back.
regards private user.
By: private user on December 30, 2020
at 12:48 pm
hi jeni mac private user here again in regards to you wanting to know if i am a descendant of mary ann thompson and have done a bit of further research and investigation in my dna daughter of wottecowidyer she did not have a daughter by the name of mary ann thompson at all.
but given details on ancestry about mary ann thompson her parents are unkown , and she came out from england as a convict
so my paper trail dna has prooven that mannalargenna’s children are my bloodline relatives including all his grandchildren great grandchildren etc.
thankyou from private user.
By: private user on December 30, 2020
at 2:12 pm
Hi Private user, This site along with Mollison, Plomley and others all record Mary Ann Thompson as the Daughter of Wottecowidyer and Sealer James Thompson. That would be ratified if you shared your DNA result with Jeni Mac. That would allow Jenni Mac to move forward with her research
Respectfully Graeme
By: Graeme on January 2, 2021
at 4:41 pm
oh hi graeme thankyou for letting me know cos i thought that my bloodline relative wottecowidyer had mary ann thompson to a different father more likley a james thompson
from private user.
By: private user on January 2, 2021
at 7:26 pm
This is a long shot but I’m trying to find out more about my great-great-grandmother. She was born around May 1858 and baptised as Catherine Casey at St Jospehs in Launceston the following year. There is no birth certificate for her, and from anecdotal evidence I believe that she has Aboriginal heritage and was adopted into the Casey family. At that time the family lived at White Hills near Evandale. Unfortunately the school records are no longer available and I have very little more to go on than a photograph and some stories. There may be a connection to Bass Strait but I’m just guessing. I know its almost impossible to know without more information but I’m just putting it out there.
By: cyclops2015 on December 30, 2020
at 4:43 pm
If she is of Aboriginal heritage it will show up in your DNA. You may also match to others and find a common ancestral link.
By: Julie Collins on December 30, 2020
at 7:28 pm
Yes – agreed – recommend Ancestry.dna test as the first step
By: Tasmaniana on December 30, 2020
at 7:37 pm
Wondering who were registered as her “parents” ? their marriage info, any other info at all ? to help searchers to search further ?
By: Tasmaniana on December 30, 2020
at 8:41 pm
Catherine’s parents are listed as William and Alice Casey, Irish convicts who married in Hobart on 12 Dec. 1853. Catherine was the third of 8 children, but the only one without a birth certificate. The first child (Maria) was born in Hobart, the second (Margaret) in Glamorgan, and Catherine most likely in the Launceston area as were all the following children. Valuation Rolls confirm that William Casey, bootmaker, was living on a property owned by himself at White Hills in the Morven (Evandale) district in 1860, 1865 and 1867. Catherine may well have been the natural born child to William and Alice, but there are anecdotal stories of indigenous knowledge and a photograph that suggests a different heritage. When the family migrated to Victoria around 1872 Catherine told the immigration officer that she was from New Zealand. At that time it was not uncommon for Tasmanian Aboriginal people to claim to be Maori of from NZ to avoid persecution, but maybe she was just trying to cover her convict stain.
By: cyclops2015 on December 30, 2020
at 10:54 pm
Thanks for this. It seems you’ve gathered the useful paper trail documents. Do convict records list William and/or Alice as “complexion: Dark” ? Who were the witnesses at their wedding/marriage cert ? Were siblings baptised the same day as Catherine ? Which of them emigrated to Port Phillip and in one vessel/trip ? (Did any remain in Tasmania ?). Do you have her marriage and death records, and records (BDM Vic?) for her children ? – for other information/clues ?
By: Tasmaniana on December 30, 2020
at 11:14 pm
Both William and Alice came from the County of Tipperary and there is nothing to say they had a dark complexion. For William the record only notes: Identifying marks – cross inside left arm, height 5’8”. On Alice’s convict papers she is described as height 4′ 11” a native of Limerick and a Roman Catholic. Her trade was listed as a servant and she could read. They had to obtain special permission to marry. Their permission to marry was recommended on 10/12 December 1857. Witnesses were John And Margaret Leary. Catherine was baptised on the same day as her sister Margaret (the second born). There is also some confusion in the record for the first born child Maria/Mary. It seems that the whole family migrated to Victoria after the death of Alice in Launceston in 1871. The 5th child, John Casey, died aged one-year-old at Launceston in 1864.
Sorry, but I can’t find the information re shipping to Victoria, just a note to say that Catherine departed Tasmania in 1879.
My assumption is that Catherine may have been adopted. Unfortunately Tasmanian adoptions weren’t made official until 1920; the year when the Adoption Act was passed. That means that any adoption prior to 1920 was an informal agreement made between two parties or more, and there are no adoption records available for this period.
By: cyclops2015 on December 31, 2020
at 9:25 am
hello private user here, just to say my paper trail dna already has been done
thankyou and it has prooven all aboriginal parts of my family
thankyou.
By: private user on December 30, 2020
at 8:07 pm
I have been trying to find out more about the DNA testing to see how accurate they are, and I am in my doubts with testing of the country of origin as the companies testing do not seem to use a central DNA user base, this pretty much starts making them unreliable and limit the DNA tests of that company.
Here is a website that readers here should maybe read before getting a DNA test done.
https://blog.genomelink.io/posts/understanding-the-accuracy-of-ancestry-dna-tests-for-the-dna-newbie.
It wasn’t until I started reading this biography article where Aboriginal members are getting their DNA tested that I began to check for accuracy of MyHeritage DNA tests, I was surprised at the lack of accuracy recorded by google on searches done.
But research before wasting your hard-earned dollars to be DNA tested, and remember that even with the best DNA testing, genes are tricky and cannot tell you everything about your family. Some companies (like Ancestry.com) incorporate the use of historical records to increase their accuracy.
By: Jeffrey L on January 2, 2021
at 1:58 pm
MyHeritage results for me, my mother, my paternal aunt, and my mother’s maternal first cousin are a load of rubbish, as far as ethnicity goes, but as they’re based on tests done on ancestry, it’s not a big deal.
Ancestry is the only one to test with unless doing YDNA, then one would test with a different company. Australian Aboriginal results that I’ve seen are not confined to Australian, but they do show differently from Pasifika (which covers our New Zealand Maori) and from the African continent, and for anyone on this site, that’s probably all you’d need to know to ascertain the lineage (or not).
Of course, DNA doesn’t really prove *who* you are descended from, per se, by itself, but it will lump *living* cousins (or those recently departed) of nth degree in together, who have tested their DNA and with paper-trails, effectively there may be no doubt of the ancestral line. Of course, in situations where there is no paper trail (pre-Colonisation in many countries), and in the absence of verifiable oral history, there is only so far back anyone can go, genealogically. Ireland & Wales have no reliable records that make sense much before 1800, for example.
I’ve broken down a number of historical brick walls, since DNA testing, but only where other cousins have tested, and we’ve had a common goal of getting the paper trail right. Others still elude me, due to some of the factors above, and no cousins having tested… although I still have many thousands who are unidentifiable, because they don’t have a clue who their ancestors are, and do not choose to puruse that part of their heritage.
By: Julie on January 2, 2021
at 4:15 pm
hi julie private user here ,
just so you know i am related to you through my 8th times great grandfather mannalargenna
thankyou
private user.
By: private user on January 7, 2021
at 9:00 am
Hello “private user”,
If you are from the Hite/Catlin family which (currently, still ?) claims their Aboriginal descent from Mary/Margaret Briggs, the sister of Dalrymple Briggs (my ancestor)(both granddaughters of Mannalargenna) then your biological relationship to me is actually NOT from any Aboriginal shared ancestry but through our Joseph Cox/Matilda Wise (Norfolk Plains/Longford = colonists) shared ancestry.
I have no idea if you have Aboriginal ancestors but I do not believe this is from Mary Briggs or her sister Eliza, both, our family believe, died childless.
31 July 1839. St. John’s Church of England, Launceston No.31
Margaret Briggs, died, Launceston, c.22 years. “Half caste native.”
Born c.1817.
11 Jul 1837. St. John’s Church of England, Launceston. No.51.
Eliza Briggs, age c.20, Died in the Benevolent Hospital
“A woman of color, born in the colony, free.”
Born c.1817.
By: Tasmaniana on January 7, 2021
at 9:20 am
Where and how do you think you have a DNA match with me? My results are on Ancestry, familytreeDNA, MyHeritage and Gedmatch.
If you are related to me, which I doubt, it is through my English ancestors. I know my own genetic background and my own paper-trail genealogy within Australia without any doubt. It is well-documented and researched.
I do have cousins whose other family line is Grace Madeline Maynard, from Flinders Island who was of aboriginal descent. ergo, her descendants are my cousins *only* through her husband, (known as) Edward Ernest BROWN.
So many family members DNA match those descendants, with certainty I know who Edward’s mother was, and his maternal grand-parents. As he has no recorded date of birth, and I have a brick wall *before* Australia, and cannot reliably discern my BROWN ancestors and DNA matches, his father may be in doubt, but my mother, her first cousin, I and innumerable other closely associated relatives have no *stray* Australian DNA matches that could be attributed to another line, to ascertain matches as to who his father maybe. i.e. My line and dozens of others is secure, but the Edwin Ernest BROWN descendants may have a different Australian resident ancestor, associated with my gt.gt. grandmother. I don’t manage their DNA results to enable in-depth calculations and research, as I do with other relatives.
By: Julie Collins on January 7, 2021
at 10:46 am
well a couple of 2 comments which i will have them printed out and will be very much kept for evidence and set aside for rainy days.
thankyou. and is wrong to say about peoples dna AS MINE HAS ALREADY BEEN PROOVEN A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT PROOVES WHO MY BLOODLINE RELATIVES ARE
WHEATHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT.
THANKYOU.
By: private user on January 2, 2021
at 6:28 pm
I am a descendant of William Lanne better known as King Billy. Now my family line with Billy crosses paths with an African convicted name John Randall nicknamed Blackley. John came over on the first fleet as a convict slave. He worked on the Sealer boat and was known to have the best see of eyes on the see. He married an Aboriginal woman and was give a massive land grant by the Government for his services and contributions to the country during the first world war. His land grant was around Sydney somewhere. This is something worth looking into for you maybe.
By: Jack Scarfe on January 2, 2021
at 7:03 pm
ummmmm to The “private user”
This is not aimed at you, it is because you have used the DNA as evidence to say who and where you are from.
Others will read this and think that a DNA test is 100% accurate, what I am saying and Julie is also is that the DNA tests are not accurate and that one needs more detailed information on how the testing company got the results.
Did they use the history from their database on the heritage where others have filled out the forms or are the results from DNA alone?
This is for people that want to do a search on their DNA to find out their heritage and can ask the right questions, to the company they deal with.
Personally, I take a person’s word alone, if they say they are from Timbucktwo and that they are related to who-ever then whats is it to me to say otherwise.
On another note: I am building a website for the Tomlins family who are direct descendants of Edward Tomlins (known as Black Ned) (job) harpooner who arrived in Hawkes Bay New Zealand, married a Maori Wahine ( Hipora) and had three children Tamati, Akenehi and Hera, a large family of descendants are now living in Melbourne.
When I have completed the website one will be able to add to the family tree or even chat to each other in a live chat program that will be applied to the website…. this is going to take approx 3 months to build as there is still more research to be done, plus it is not an easy site to build.
I can keep updating through here, @Tasmaniana can I reference some of your comments on our web pages and also point our site to here for reference, you are welcome to email me as you have my address
By: Jeffrey L on January 3, 2021
at 10:53 am
oh thankyou because i was a bit worried
from private user.
By: private user on January 3, 2021
at 12:28 pm
Hi Jeffrey
If you scroll back through this blog you will find a fair bit already offered and asked about from a Descendant of Ned Tomlins (described as half-caste), son of Samuel Tomlins and Poolrerrener [AKA Bullrub/Bullrow/Bullroe/Bulra “mother” of Cape Portland, daughter was Jumbo (half sister).
Known as “Ned”, or “Black Ned”, Edward became one of the most notable whalers from the mixed-race sealing communities of Bass Strait and Kangaroo Island, along with George Morrison, Samuel Harrington and Thomas Chaseland. Whaling took Ned as far afield as New Zealand’s Hawke’s Bay. #S1 Wikitree
Tomlins and Hipora Iwikatea of Mohaka (Hawke’s Bay, New Zealand) had one son, also Edward Tomlins, who had three children, a girl Akenehi, a boy Tamati, and a second girl Hera #N1 #N2. Hipora Iwikatea died on November 12 1900, her son Edward predeceasing her on December 15 1892
There is a large group of descendants in NZ and on the Australian mainland that identify as both Maori and Tasmanian Aboriginal because of Ned’s travels to NZ whaling where he and Hipora had a son Edward Jnr.
I hope I have all this correct–Tai Hapimana and other relatives above?.
Poolrerrener is a Tasmanian Aboriginal woman from the Cape Portland area and has a memorial stone along with many other notable women (4 being daughters of the Chief) alongside Tribal Chief Mannalargenna. This has just been completed in readiness for Mannarlargenna Day back on 4th Dec 2021. There are 11 boulders–one being Mannarlargenna and 10 significant ancestral grandmothers.
‘We welcome you to Tebrkunna Country, to honour the memory of our
revered ancestor Mannalargenna and our ancestral grandmothers:
Woretmoeteyenner, (a daughter) (George Briggs)
Wottecowwidyer (a daughter) (Thompson/Everett)
Teekoolterme,/ Nimeranna (a daughter) (John Thomas)
Wapperty (a daughter) (John Myetye/Miti)
Tarenooterrer (aka Ploorernelle/Sarah/Tibb/Woonoteahcootameena)
(Smith/Robinson) mother of Fanny Cochrane-Smith
Wyberlooberer (aka Pollerwotteltelterrunner) (Richard Maynard line)
Poolrerrener (aka Bullrub) – (Tomlins line)
Pleenperrenner (aka Mother Brown) (John Brown)
Bourakooroo (aka Maria)- John Scott of King Island
Pollerrelberner – Edward Sidney Mansell
Mannalargenna had a sister, I’m not sure of her name.
This could be helpful for your website particularly making contact with Tai on here.
Cheers
Barb R
By: Barb R on January 19, 2022
at 4:19 pm
Hi Barb
appreciate all the information, as I am in direct contact with Edward who is the great grandson (note the edwards continue down the line) I will use this information checking with Edward as I move along.
thanks again.
By: Jeffrey L on January 19, 2022
at 4:30 pm
a Couple of typos Mannarlargenna at the start is incorrect and Tebrkunna should be Tebrakunna
By: Barb R on January 19, 2022
at 4:24 pm
Hi Jeffrey
That’s fine to reference info. from this site and add the url, as you suggest
+ thanks for asking
By: Tasmaniana on January 19, 2022
at 4:30 pm
I’m looking for Mary Scott
My grandmother’s mother was a Mary Scott. My grandmother was fostered and her name changed to Elma Mary Screen.
By: Sandra Hunt on January 29, 2021
at 10:20 pm
Are you referring to young Aboriginal Mary Scott who lived with John Scott on King Island?
Sandra of sanstu@bigpond.com has much information on this Aboriginal woman,
By: Barb R on October 18, 2021
at 2:54 pm
Would anyone have ANY information about Henry Joseph Cowan of King Island & Isabel Scott, daughter of David & Elizabeth Scott of King Island.
I’m not sure of dates only the year Henry & Isabel married which is 1908
By: Julie on February 7, 2021
at 11:59 pm
Hi there
Would anyone having any information about a sealer by the name of John Lee who appears to have been married to a Bridget Lee please assist me? I am writing a book about the sealing industry in the Antipodes and apparently athese were caucasian sealing family
By: David Prior on February 26, 2021
at 9:16 am
Interesting articles…I was hoping to get to Graeme Broxam talk to verify some info, but my health is very tricky & I doubt I could travel from Launceston to Hobart. I’ve been trying to find info on my maternal grandmother’s grandmother for some time & have just been told about The Book. I Meek
By: Iris Meek on April 10, 2021
at 6:19 pm
This is a good sight so much interesting information.
I found two reference to John Williams (Black Jack) Was Tarerenorere or Teekoolterme also known as Norah Cochran (1810 – abt 1914) married listed (8/2/1930) Hobart Tasmania. They are my 3rd great grandparents
By: Debra Darling on August 6, 2021
at 10:07 pm
Hi Debra,
Do you have any extra information about Norah Cochran?
Norah Cochran appears on this ancestry tree (https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Williams-58925) as potentially being the mother of William John Williams (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Williams-58925)
By: Alice on August 30, 2021
at 9:32 pm
Hello,
I am a descendant of Samuel Tomlins and am looking for more information about Bulra Bullrub Poolrerrener, where she was orginally from or what tribe she came from? If anyone has any information, please let me know. Thank you
By: Vickie Neho on August 7, 2021
at 10:25 pm
Hi Vickie
there is a lot of information in here about the Tomlins family, especially Black Ned.
looking at your last name it seems you might be related to them.
all information you have received so far, I would very much appreciate sharing.
There is a family in Melbourne that has formed the Djerriwarrh Te Moana Nui A Kiwa Aboriginal Corporation, ICN 8108
The Chairperson is a direct descendant of Black Ned (Great Grandfather)
I am a Director/Secretary of the Corporation if you need more info or to be able to contact your relatives then email me at admin@djaambi.com
By: Jeffrey L on August 9, 2021
at 10:00 am
Here’s the link to Graeme Broxam’s Talk on John Scott Sealer, Wives Maria and Mary and descendants. https://soundcloud.com/thra1951/november-graeme-broxam-john-scott-sealer-of-bass-strait-and-his-tasmanian-aboriginal-descendants
By: David Towns on November 12, 2021
at 3:11 pm
Would anyone know of Margaret Ann Scoggin 1816 she is believed to be a daughter of George Briggs and Woretermoeteyenner. She married Henry Wells 1843 and died in 1892 at Westbury. There are only 4 records for her at Tas Archives. Her marriage and 4 of her children.
By: dyzie on February 16, 2022
at 10:37 pm
Hi Dyzie, With reference to Margaret Ann Scoggin, have you discovered anymore about her. I have also spent 12 months researching her whereabouts. I would love to hear from you.
Sally x
By: Sally Stevenson on March 6, 2022
at 4:52 pm
Hi there, I’m tracing my family tree and am looking for information on Margaret Scoggin. Did you find anything on her?
By: cburnieutas on September 29, 2023
at 8:39 pm
Hi Dyzie and Sally
Many Descendants of George Briggs and Woretermoeteyenner do not accept that a daughter called Margaret Ann married a Scoggin or a Hite. There is even a suggestion that there were 2 daughters with the name Margaret–there is only one. The following is a confirmed record (thank you Tasmaniana)-
31 July 1839. St. John’s Church of England, Launceston No.31
Margaret Briggs, died, Launceston, c.22 years. “Half caste native.”
Born c.1817. (more Likely circa 1817/1818)
11 Jul 1837. St. John’s Church of England, Launceston. No.51.
Eliza Briggs, age c.20, Died in the Benevolent Hospital
“A woman of color, born in the colony, free.”
Born c.1817. (more likely born circa 1816/1817)
Simply there were 5 known children
1810/1812 Dalrymple
1816/1817 Eliza
1817/1818 Margaret/Mary
1819 infant thrown on the fire when Dalrymple
maybe 9 yo was nearby
1820 John
only Dalrymple and John had families.
Please note I do not dispute that a Mary Ann Scoggin married a Henry Wells in 1843– I have a copy of the Marriage Record. She was NOT Mary Ann (nee Briggs) daughter of George Briggs.
By: Barb R on September 2, 2022
at 1:24 pm
Ahoy,
I would like to inquire further about the Hites controversy (As I am a distant descendent of the Hites)
Currently the Australian War Memeorial accepts two Hites as First Nation servicemen and has confirmed their First Nation heritage (I can forward the email if you’d like)
With that in mind, I’m quite curious what is the controversy/ is being argued by both sides?
Kind regards,
A confused distant Hite
By: Matthew Ro on January 5, 2023
at 4:08 pm
Hey Matthew Ro, I am in the same position as you extremely confused and very interested. Could I please have a copy of the email. Stace2@hotmail.com
By: Stacey on January 26, 2023
at 11:19 am
hi all.
have been seperated from my fathers side of the family my whole life and was recently told i have aboriginal heritage on his fathers side of the family. all from circular heads areas.
names i have been given
rosetta hannah stearne 1872-1950
married to james smith
parents apparently
elizabeth chapman and peter garner stearne
By: sr on August 30, 2022
at 2:04 pm
A story about a James Smith who lived in Circular Head 1857-1869 and 1882-1884 is contained in the latest edition of Tasmanian Ancestry. ie Vol 43 No 2p.94.
By: Paul Stott on August 30, 2022
at 4:58 pm
also wondering if anyone has any info on john chapman / whaler or sealer listed there
By: sr on August 31, 2022
at 7:15 pm
Looking for relatives/descendants of John Anderson AKA Mad Abyssinian Jack, whaler/sealer Kangaroo Is. Married Emue and after her death married Poll both Kaurna (Gaurna) women, he is my Great x4 Grandather.
By: Paul on October 7, 2022
at 4:46 pm
Hi Matthew Ro
Could you please provide an email address and I’ll send you more of what I have received from my research.
Cheers
BR
By: Barbara Rees on January 9, 2023
at 11:29 am
Hey Barbra,
Could I possibly get a copy of the information you have regarding the “hite” family.
Stace2@hotmail.com
Thanks Stace
By: Stacey Abraham on January 26, 2023
at 7:54 pm
To be honest: it would be great to leave comments on this website so others can see the results:
What I am astounded by is why people want to keep the history and ancestors a secret and not tell others, I don’t think there is a need to email someone all the particulars and then have another person who wants to also find out the same information again, Just tell it here so we all know 🙂
By: Jeffrey L on January 27, 2023
at 7:10 pm
I too am a descendant of William hite and would love to see the info you have
By: Maxie on January 27, 2023
at 7:28 pm
This is a response to Jeffrey L.
Jeffrey, I’ve no intention of keeping what information I have a secret. Which is why I have offered to provide it. The information I have is lengthy and would be too difficult to place here which is why I need email addresses. There are documents and links.
Therefore, if you are interested in the information I have, could you please provide an email address if you want to be included.
That applies to Maxie also.
I’m preparing a lengthy email now for Matthew Ro and Stace. Thankyou you both for your email contact.
Cheers
Barb R
By: Barbara Rees on January 29, 2023
at 2:48 pm
please send it through to matthewj003@gmail.com
By: Matthew Ro on January 28, 2023
at 6:35 pm
Barbara or Matthew could you please also send through to maxine.wolf56@hotmail.com
By: Maxie on January 29, 2023
at 3:42 pm
No Problems from here, Barbra. I am not too keen about leaving my email address out in the open, so I will renege on getting the information from you. and thank you for supplying information to others, I am sure it is appreciated by many. 🙂
Apart from that, I am more interested in all the history and stories regarding, Bulra/Bullrub Poolrerrener, Samuel Tomlins, Edward Tomlins, “Black Ned”, his wife Hipora Iwikatea and son Edward Tomlins “junior”, and his wife Riria from there on, I have 90% of the information and family tree, but I would also like more information on Edward (Black Neds) sister Bulra or Louisa
I am presently building a website of the ancestry of Edward (Black Ned) Tomlins, parents Samuel Tomlins (English Convict) and Poolreerener an Aboriginal from Tebrikunna Tasmania https://djaambi.com I have a long way to go yet in building it but the information is there for everyone
By: Jeffrey L on January 29, 2023
at 9:45 pm
Does anyone have any specific information on Jane Smith (possibly related to Sarah Poolrerrenner Smith) being married to Charles Thomas Tatnell – and having a daughter named Sarah Louise Tatnell. There seems to be a lot of mixed information (with the name Ann White in some records) and am just trying to seek some point of truth?
By: Teresa Jacobson on March 29, 2023
at 5:19 pm
Sarah Poolrerrenner Smith
Daughter of bullrub aboriginal
Wife of John William Smith, {sealer}
Mother of mary ann smith, 1819-1871; frances fanny wortabowigge smith, 1834-1905 and Jane Smith, (1823-) mother of fanny cochrane smith, aboriginal full blood
By: lisa on March 30, 2023
at 11:24 pm
tatnells line is not aboriginal proven
By: lisa on March 30, 2023
at 11:26 pm
My father and I are looking for records relating to John (B 1787) and Anne Moore. We have been unable to find anything about them for many years. They had a son John Moore born 1837 Hobart. Many family members believe Anne may not be her true name and that she may be of Aboriginal Heritage. Any help appreciated.
Rebecca
rebeccavick88@gmail.com
By: Rebecca E Vick on January 27, 2024
at 12:18 pm
this site has been altered by TAC. MAYNARD WAS NEVER TODD
By: Lisa Lovell on January 28, 2024
at 10:57 am